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Debate:Is "Coercive Interrogation" consistent with Christian Values? (view source)
Revision as of 03:39, April 2, 2008
, 03:39, April 2, 2008→Transference
::::::::You can't possibly be serious, Roo. The United States leaves plenty to be desired in terms of legal protection, especially since the introduction of the Patriot Act. There are very few checks and balances to ensure individuals have the same legal standing as corporations, short of class action suits. And I'm afraid that habeas corpus and the presumption of innocence is not so unique to the US - it's been embraced in pretty much every country in the first world since the 19th century. And if we want to talk international relations, there's the Bay of Pigs, Iran/Contra, the destabilisation and overthrow of the Sandanista government, arms sales to Israel and Iraq... I don't dispute for a moment that America has had a huge effect on the events of the 20th century, but it's not quite the "shining light and bastion of freedom and liberty" that you describe. [[User:Underscoreb|Underscoreb]] 20:03, 31 March 2008 (EDT)
::::::::You can't possibly be serious, Roo. The United States leaves plenty to be desired in terms of legal protection, especially since the introduction of the Patriot Act. There are very few checks and balances to ensure individuals have the same legal standing as corporations, short of class action suits. And I'm afraid that habeas corpus and the presumption of innocence is not so unique to the US - it's been embraced in pretty much every country in the first world since the 19th century. And if we want to talk international relations, there's the Bay of Pigs, Iran/Contra, the destabilisation and overthrow of the Sandanista government, arms sales to Israel and Iraq... I don't dispute for a moment that America has had a huge effect on the events of the 20th century, but it's not quite the "shining light and bastion of freedom and liberty" that you describe. [[User:Underscoreb|Underscoreb]] 20:03, 31 March 2008 (EDT)
::::::::You have to understand that whatever you have been taught about how great america was in the first half of the 20th century the rest of the world has either equalled or exceeded the accomplishments of America while we have either remained stagnant or regressed in some areas. I hope you understand that I am grateful that I live in America, but to just stand back and not say anything is the most unpatriotic thing you can do. [[User:Rellik|Rellik]] 23:39, 1 April 2008 (EDT)
==Rebuttal to RobS==
==Rebuttal to RobS==