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That is not necessarily true.  I would argue that homeschooling as a concept, as it is understood by the vast majority of people, would be construed as the deliberate choice to teach a child at home as specifically opposed to public schooling.  This latter part of the definition is the one missing from this article's approach to the matter, since most people (as indicated here) disagree with the idea that anyone in history taught at home was "homeschooled" in the sense in which the idea is understood today.  I think this is the real substantive point, in fact, behind this disagreement.  You should take note, I think, of that fact that both I (as liberal as they come) and PJR (as conservative as they come, and your most intelligent sysop) are neither of us opposed to homeschooling, and yet we feel that this article is misleadingly favorable to the practice, whereas you (a strong advocate) feel it is not.  Perhaps you might want to step back from this one, and a few other outside opinions on the matter?
 
That is not necessarily true.  I would argue that homeschooling as a concept, as it is understood by the vast majority of people, would be construed as the deliberate choice to teach a child at home as specifically opposed to public schooling.  This latter part of the definition is the one missing from this article's approach to the matter, since most people (as indicated here) disagree with the idea that anyone in history taught at home was "homeschooled" in the sense in which the idea is understood today.  I think this is the real substantive point, in fact, behind this disagreement.  You should take note, I think, of that fact that both I (as liberal as they come) and PJR (as conservative as they come, and your most intelligent sysop) are neither of us opposed to homeschooling, and yet we feel that this article is misleadingly favorable to the practice, whereas you (a strong advocate) feel it is not.  Perhaps you might want to step back from this one, and a few other outside opinions on the matter?
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: Tom, you overrely on your perceptions of what others think (see point 11 in [[liberal style]]).  Homeschooling is not defined in terms of [[public school]].  The view of homeschoolers towards public school is varied, and public schools themselves have changed throughout history and are different in different locations today.  Homeschooling is a parental approach to child-rearing that would exist regardless of the form taken by public schools.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 16:23, 6 April 2008 (EDT)
 
   
 
   
 
''Philip says, "For much of history, there were no schools, or what ones there were, were only for the very rich."  I doubt that, as schooling was often done by religions independent of wealth.  I doubt that [[ancient Greece]] had a financial test for admitting students to its fine schools.  But, regardless, I think that is an overly material view of the concept of homeschooling, which refers to a decision made by parents to eschew common or customary education in favor of an alternative form of learning that they believe is more beneficial to the child.  That type of decision is as old as families and education.''
 
''Philip says, "For much of history, there were no schools, or what ones there were, were only for the very rich."  I doubt that, as schooling was often done by religions independent of wealth.  I doubt that [[ancient Greece]] had a financial test for admitting students to its fine schools.  But, regardless, I think that is an overly material view of the concept of homeschooling, which refers to a decision made by parents to eschew common or customary education in favor of an alternative form of learning that they believe is more beneficial to the child.  That type of decision is as old as families and education.''
    
But that type of decision is not being described in the article.  If you want to broaden it to include that, I think it would be appropriate to do so.  The key would be specificity, then; the article should be changed to reflect that this is a list of people who have "eschew[ed] common or customary education in favor of an alternative form of learning", very different from what most people think when they read the article currently (which presents the matter as synonymous with modern homeschooling).
 
But that type of decision is not being described in the article.  If you want to broaden it to include that, I think it would be appropriate to do so.  The key would be specificity, then; the article should be changed to reflect that this is a list of people who have "eschew[ed] common or customary education in favor of an alternative form of learning", very different from what most people think when they read the article currently (which presents the matter as synonymous with modern homeschooling).
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: Modern homeschoolers are no different from ancient ones in rejecting formal schools.  We define the term homeschooling and I doubt many would argue with it.  The people listed satisfy that definition.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 16:23, 6 April 2008 (EDT)
    
Consider, for example, the fact that a large proportion of wealthy children were "homeschooled" in Europe for centuries, in the sense that they were tutored in their home by professionals.  This was the norm for the wealthy, yet your definition includes such as being "homeschooled," contradictory to the common perception of the matter.--[[User:TomMoore|TomMoore]] 15:43, 6 April 2008 (EDT)
 
Consider, for example, the fact that a large proportion of wealthy children were "homeschooled" in Europe for centuries, in the sense that they were tutored in their home by professionals.  This was the norm for the wealthy, yet your definition includes such as being "homeschooled," contradictory to the common perception of the matter.--[[User:TomMoore|TomMoore]] 15:43, 6 April 2008 (EDT)
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: No, the definition is clear that homeschooling rejects the approach of "certified" teachers (or its equivalent).  Wealthy children in Europe who were schooled in a formal setting by certified teachers (or its equivalent) should not be included; those taught by their parents, relatives, or non-certified teachers (or its equivalent) should be included.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 16:23, 6 April 2008 (EDT)
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