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If there's anyone who really thinks [[civil liberties]] of ordinary non-terrorists might be infringed, I'd love to hear about it. But remember that when the Clinton White House looked at 800 confidential FBI files of domestic political opponents, no one batted an eye; while one office break-in forced Nixon to resign. Let's not have any hidden [[double standards]]. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 18:35, 8 April 2008 (EDT)
If there's anyone who really thinks [[civil liberties]] of ordinary non-terrorists might be infringed, I'd love to hear about it. But remember that when the Clinton White House looked at 800 confidential FBI files of domestic political opponents, no one batted an eye; while one office break-in forced Nixon to resign. Let's not have any hidden [[double standards]]. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 18:35, 8 April 2008 (EDT)
:I can personally tell you that that is not true. I voted for Bush in 2004 (too young in 2000 but I would have voted for him then as well), and I would love to be able to say that he reduced terrorism. I am not trying to get elected, and I certainly don't sympathize with terrorists. I'm not the only one here, some very reputible conservative/libertarian sources ([[Ron Paul]], as Dan said, and the [[Cato Institute]] are two of my favorites) also think that the Patriot Act is infringing real rights. I gave three examples in the article, and I'm sure there are many, many more. Keep in mind that many libertarian-minded individuals hold the right to privacy and the right of self-government in very high standards; surely the vast majoraty of them (us) hold it high enough to keep it out of the political muck. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 18:58, 8 April 2008 (EDT)
:There's no reason we can't include talk about the Clinton violations as well as these. Right or wrong, objections to the Patriot Act have been very controversial and well noted in the news, and we can't simply ignore controversy simply for the sake of political expediency if we are to be an informative encyclopedia. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 18:37, 8 April 2008 (EDT)
:There's no reason we can't include talk about the Clinton violations as well as these. Right or wrong, objections to the Patriot Act have been very controversial and well noted in the news, and we can't simply ignore controversy simply for the sake of political expediency if we are to be an informative encyclopedia. [[User:DanH|DanH]] 18:37, 8 April 2008 (EDT)