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Line 122: − :::::::Actually, Creationism '''is''' a minority view. Just about every organized group of Christians outside the United States (and most fo the ones inside) are perfectly OK with believing in both the Bible and that "when God made Man, He used a Monkey to do it."+ − :::::::Let me quote the Wedge Document: ''However, we are convinced that in order to defeat materialism, we must cut it off at its source. That source is scientific materialism.'' <ref>[http://www.antievolution.org/features/wedge.html The Wedge Document]</ref> Never mind that "god did it" makes for a LOUSY scientific theory, and has never made anything useful the way Scientific Materialism has--polio vaccine, light bulbs, neutron bombs. All of which work fine even if you don't have any Faith in them.+ − :::::::And on the acedemic front, there are more scientists [http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/steve/ named Steve] who support evolution than there are Creationist/ID scientists, '''period'''. :) --[[User:Gulik5|Gulik5]] 12:53, 10 April 2008 (EDT)+ + + + + + +
Talk:Intelligent design controversy (view source)
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, 03:20, April 11, 2008"science" <> "scientific materialism", and popularity contests
::::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 11:39, 10 April 2008 (EDT)
::::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 11:39, 10 April 2008 (EDT)
::::::Actually, Creationism '''is''' a minority view. Just about every organized group of Christians outside the United States (and most fo the ones inside) are perfectly OK with believing in both the Bible and that "when God made Man, He used a Monkey to do it."
::::::Let me quote the Wedge Document: ''However, we are convinced that in order to defeat materialism, we must cut it off at its source. That source is scientific materialism.'' <ref>[http://www.antievolution.org/features/wedge.html The Wedge Document]</ref> Never mind that "god did it" makes for a LOUSY scientific theory, and has never made anything useful the way Scientific Materialism has--polio vaccine, light bulbs, neutron bombs. All of which work fine even if you don't have any Faith in them.
::::::And on the acedemic front, there are more scientists [http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/steve/ named Steve] who support evolution than there are Creationist/ID scientists, '''period'''. :) --[[User:Gulik5|Gulik5]] 12:53, 10 April 2008 (EDT)
::::::: Roughly 50% of Americans believe that man was created, not evolved, so I'm not so sure that your claim of it being a minority view is correct. But neither am I sure what your point was there, because I never claimed it to be the majority view.
::::::: Similarly, although many Christians outside the U.S. are prepared to accept (theistic) evolution, I'm by no means convinced that most accept the evolution of man from a monkey.
::::::: You are confusing "scientific materialism" with "science". "Materialism" means a number of things, including being overly concerned with having possessions. In the realm of science, "materialism" (i.e. "scientific materialism") is the ''belief'' that ''matter'' is all there is; i.e., there is no supernatural. It is ''science'' (founded on Christian principles) that has produce the polio vaccine, light bulbs, and neutron bombs, not "scientific materialism".
::::::: I've never denied that evolutionists vastly outnumber creationists and ID proponents. But science is not a popularity contest. And the number of scientists who signed the Project Steve list is smaller than the number of creationist scientists. However, you're really comparing one incomplete list with another incomplete list, which proves nothing.
::::::: And does this post indicate that you are dropping your attempt to show that evolution is falsifiable? I guess you noted that even fellow-evolutionist Able806 said that your example didn't work.
::::::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 23:20, 10 April 2008 (EDT)