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::: Ok, so many problems with the above comment I'm not even sure where to start, so I'll just go through sentence by sentence. First, regarding your statement that "Only God is incapable of error, and that's why this website follows God instead of the fallible beliefs of Men" - don't confuse what God said with your interpretation of what God said. Your interpretations are still failible. Second, your claim that "the founder of this website has proven, in no uncertain terms, that macroevolution (what most atheists mean when they say "evolution") is impossible" - first, note that in science nothing is very proven - at best one has overwhelming evidence for a claim. Second, no I'm afraid that the "founder"(I presume you mean Andrew) did no such thing. Your claims that " There's simply not enough time and even if there was, all mutations are harmful" is such a bundle of contradictions and attempts to ignore reality it isn't funny. To point out only three of the problems- the majority of mutations are in fact not harmful nor beneficial  but neutral (you would know this if you took a basic genetics course). Second there are many examples of beneficial mutations in the scientific literature, in fact examples have been around for over 50 years. See for See for example Lederberg and Lederberg,  ''Replica plating and indirect selection of bacterial mutants''. Journal of Bacteriology 63: 399-406 (1952). More recently, bacteria have gained mutations allowing them to digest nylon:  Negoro, et al. "The nylon oligomer biodegradation system of Flavobacterium and Pseudomonas" Biodegradation 5: 185-194. Third, a simple thought problem will show you that not all mutations are harmful- all point mutations are essentially reversible mutations. So if a given point mutation is harmful then the reverse mutation is beneficial. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 15:11, 22 February 2007 (EST)
 
::: Ok, so many problems with the above comment I'm not even sure where to start, so I'll just go through sentence by sentence. First, regarding your statement that "Only God is incapable of error, and that's why this website follows God instead of the fallible beliefs of Men" - don't confuse what God said with your interpretation of what God said. Your interpretations are still failible. Second, your claim that "the founder of this website has proven, in no uncertain terms, that macroevolution (what most atheists mean when they say "evolution") is impossible" - first, note that in science nothing is very proven - at best one has overwhelming evidence for a claim. Second, no I'm afraid that the "founder"(I presume you mean Andrew) did no such thing. Your claims that " There's simply not enough time and even if there was, all mutations are harmful" is such a bundle of contradictions and attempts to ignore reality it isn't funny. To point out only three of the problems- the majority of mutations are in fact not harmful nor beneficial  but neutral (you would know this if you took a basic genetics course). Second there are many examples of beneficial mutations in the scientific literature, in fact examples have been around for over 50 years. See for See for example Lederberg and Lederberg,  ''Replica plating and indirect selection of bacterial mutants''. Journal of Bacteriology 63: 399-406 (1952). More recently, bacteria have gained mutations allowing them to digest nylon:  Negoro, et al. "The nylon oligomer biodegradation system of Flavobacterium and Pseudomonas" Biodegradation 5: 185-194. Third, a simple thought problem will show you that not all mutations are harmful- all point mutations are essentially reversible mutations. So if a given point mutation is harmful then the reverse mutation is beneficial. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 15:11, 22 February 2007 (EST)
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::: Ah-ha, but Ashens has forgotten! Since God is infallible, and, by definition, ineffable, anything He does is to great to be understood by the minds of Men. So although God may indeed be "incapable of error" (but being omnipotent, He is capable of anything), only a faded, skewed version of His Plans can be perceived by our mortal minds (as JoshuaZ said). Therefore a website that follows God must be creating its own distorted image of the true, divine Facts.
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::: ''There's simply not enough time to observe all of His Plans unfold and even if there was, He may well be enjoying a Joke at our expense.''  [[User:Prometheus|Prometheus]]
    
::::(I wrote the second "Seriously Flawed" entry.) It's not my intention to be insulting. Forgive me for not reading everything about the site ahead of time. I didn't realize it was specifically Christian. I thought it was about Conservatism, which most certainly extends beyond Christianity. I understand your "if you don't like it, don't use it" comment. If you want to avoid more negative comments, perhaps you should make the site more obviously fundamentalist Christian. Just a suggestion, since plenty of conservatives are concerned with scientific truth over Biblical Truth.
 
::::(I wrote the second "Seriously Flawed" entry.) It's not my intention to be insulting. Forgive me for not reading everything about the site ahead of time. I didn't realize it was specifically Christian. I thought it was about Conservatism, which most certainly extends beyond Christianity. I understand your "if you don't like it, don't use it" comment. If you want to avoid more negative comments, perhaps you should make the site more obviously fundamentalist Christian. Just a suggestion, since plenty of conservatives are concerned with scientific truth over Biblical Truth.
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