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* God exists (world view)
 
* God exists (world view)
 
** Therefore we need to explain everything based on that "fact"
 
** Therefore we need to explain everything based on that "fact"
*** Thus science is altered based on the "God exists" idea
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*** Thus science is done on the basis that "God exists"
**** ''Creationism'' comes ''before'' the ''Scientific Theory of Creation''. The science is based on the world view.
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**** The Bible comes ''before'' science. The science is based on the world view.
    
===According to biblical Theistic Evolutionists (Old Earth)===
 
===According to biblical Theistic Evolutionists (Old Earth)===
 
There is disagreement among [[Theistic Evolution]]ists, as not all hold that God is not involved presently in His creation.
 
There is disagreement among [[Theistic Evolution]]ists, as not all hold that God is not involved presently in His creation.
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'''Impersonal Evolutionist God'''
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'''Impersonal God'''
 
* There is no personal/involved God (world view)
 
* There is no personal/involved God (world view)
 
** Therefore we need to explain everything based on that "fact"
 
** Therefore we need to explain everything based on that "fact"
*** Thus science is altered based on the "no personal God" idea
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*** Thus science is done on the basis that God is not involved in His creation
 
**** ''Theistic Evolutionism'' comes ''before'' the ''Scientific Theory of Evolution''. The science is based on the world view.
 
**** ''Theistic Evolutionism'' comes ''before'' the ''Scientific Theory of Evolution''. The science is based on the world view.
'''Personal Evolutionist God'''
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'''Personal God'''
 
* There is a personal/involved God (world view)
 
* There is a personal/involved God (world view)
 
** Therefore we need to explain everything based on that "fact"
 
** Therefore we need to explain everything based on that "fact"
*** Thus science is altered based on the "personal God" idea
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*** Thus science is done on the basis that there is a "personal God"
 
**** ''Theistic Evolutionism'' comes ''before'' the ''Scientific Theory of Evolution''. The science is based on the world view.
 
**** ''Theistic Evolutionism'' comes ''before'' the ''Scientific Theory of Evolution''. The science is based on the world view.
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* There is no God (world view)
 
* There is no God (world view)
 
** Therefore we need to explain everything based on that "fact"
 
** Therefore we need to explain everything based on that "fact"
*** Thus science is altered based on the "no God" idea
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*** Thus science is done on the basis of there being no God (i.e. [[naturalism (science)|naturalism]])
**** ''Evolutionism'' comes ''before'' the ''Scientific Theory of Evolution''. The science is based on the world view.
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**** Naturalism comes ''before'' the science. The science is based on the world view.
    
===Comparison===
 
===Comparison===
The various viewpoints can be compared in general ways as they all have some sort of starting point. The general Creationist starting point is God, which then all the universe is based on including that of science. Some ''Theistic Evolutionists'' hold to a similar God idea, yet emphasize a somewhat secondary origin<ref><small>Some Theistic Evolutionists believe that God created the universe and yet He is no longer involved in it. Therefore "secondary origin" is referring to the idea that God is the origin of the universe, but not necessarily ''You and Me''.</small></ref> in the evolutionary process. Atheistic evolutionists say that we must prove God by science, therefore their intellectual starting point is science itself.
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The various viewpoints can be compared in general ways as they all have some sort of starting point. The general Creationist starting point is God, which then all the universe is based on including that of science. Some ''Theistic Evolutionists'' hold to a similar God idea, yet emphasize a somewhat secondary origin<ref>Some Theistic Evolutionists believe that God created the universe and yet He is no longer involved in it. Therefore "secondary origin" is referring to the idea that God is the origin of the universe, but not necessarily ''You and Me''.</ref> in the evolutionary process. Atheistic evolutionists say that we must prove God by science, therefore their intellectual starting point is science itself.
    
==Controversy==
 
==Controversy==
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