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Pffffft dont know why I bother because you'll come back with the same empty rehtoric about evolution bad this and god is the best that.
Pffffft dont know why I bother because you'll come back with the same empty rehtoric about evolution bad this and god is the best that.
[[User:AdenJ|AdenJ]] 15:06, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
[[User:AdenJ|AdenJ]] 15:06, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
:All right, [[User:AdenJ|AdenJ]], pay attention: You have just proved the point, made by [[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] and myself, about the "evolutionist style." You keep saying that "evolution is science"—and by "evolution" I mean here the full paradigm of [[uniformitarianism]], [[Big Bang]] cosmology, [[abiogenesis]], and "common descent from one ancestor."
:So let's talk. How do we know that sedimentary rock in a canyon wall takes "millions of years" to deposit? All we've ever had is [[Sir Charles Lyell]]'s word on that. He was a far better rhetorician than he was a scientist. He set the tone, and people like you are following right along with him in browbeating everybody into accepting a proposition with little or no supporting evidence.
:And while we're at it, let's talk about the Big Bang, and all the rest of deep-space [[astronomy]]. What's this [[dark matter]] and [[dark energy]] we keep hearing about? Back in the nineteenth century, and the beginning of the twentieth, astronomers tried to lay that "dark matter" trick on the world once before—they invented a "planet" named [[Vulcan (planet)|Vulcan]] (not to be confused with the fictitious world in the constellation Eridanus) to explain a precession in the orbit of the [[planet]] [[Mercury]] that exceeded anything that they could account for. They didn't even bother to explain how this planet Vulcan could remain undetected even by the ancients when it would have had a shorter year than the earth and thus couldn't stay on the far side of the sun all the time. Then [[Albert Einstein]] showed everybody a second-order correction, and now we never hear about any such planet anymore.
:Or don't we? The hypothesized planet Vulcan was the first "dark matter" object that any astronomer tried to get the world to accept, and it wasn't the last. Today we hear about dark matter, and dark ''energy'', all the time. Why? Because the Big Bang model is full of holes big enough to shoot a space probe through, that's why. And now we hear that people are spending billions of dollars to try to detect something called the "Higgs boson," an alleged dark-matter elementary particle.
:Prediction: any such finding will be incompetent, irrelevant, and immaterial. Because we can explain the cosmos quite nicely, thank you, without resorting to dark matter ''or'' dark energy. The trouble is that the explanation posits that our galaxy is at the center of the universe (a thing [[Edwin Hubble]] knew perfectly well but refused to admit), the universe ''did'' expand greatly (an expansion of space itself) at its beginning, the expansion has now stopped—and by Earth-bound clocks the expansion occurred, and then stopped, about six thousand years ago.--[[User:TerryH|TerryH]]<sup>[[User talk:TerryH|Talk]]</sup> 16:01, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
:This should probably go to one of our [[Debate Topics]], but here's my 2 cents: If a good idea is warped by madmen, we keep the good idea and criticize the madness. When a false idea is used by madmen to justify mass murder, we criticize both their madness and the false idea that used for justification. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 15:21, 17 April 2008 (EDT)
:This should probably go to one of our [[Debate Topics]], but here's my 2 cents: If a good idea is warped by madmen, we keep the good idea and criticize the madness. When a false idea is used by madmen to justify mass murder, we criticize both their madness and the false idea that used for justification. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 15:21, 17 April 2008 (EDT)