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That doesn't address the point. Logic exists and there is no question about it. So, how do you account for logical laws which are absolute, transcendent, conceptual, and independent of humanity and the physical universe? As a Christian, I can do that with God because He perfectly fits all of these categories. But how does an Atheist do so? If you can account for it, then please do. [[User:Ultimahero|Ultimahero]] 14:30, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
 
That doesn't address the point. Logic exists and there is no question about it. So, how do you account for logical laws which are absolute, transcendent, conceptual, and independent of humanity and the physical universe? As a Christian, I can do that with God because He perfectly fits all of these categories. But how does an Atheist do so? If you can account for it, then please do. [[User:Ultimahero|Ultimahero]] 14:30, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
 
::You keep saying that, but that doesn't make it so.  If a truly omnipotent diety wanted to make a rock so big It couldn't lift it, it could--and could then LIFT IT ANYWAY.  That's what ''omnipotence''' MEANS. --[[User:Gulik5|Gulik5]] 20:43, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
 
::You keep saying that, but that doesn't make it so.  If a truly omnipotent diety wanted to make a rock so big It couldn't lift it, it could--and could then LIFT IT ANYWAY.  That's what ''omnipotence''' MEANS. --[[User:Gulik5|Gulik5]] 20:43, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
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No, that's a logical fallacy. Something can only do that which is consitent with it's nature. God is by nature and definition the biggest thing in existence. To ask Him to make something bigger than He is, which would make Him something lesser than something else, is illogical. God can't contradict His own nature. And you still haven't accounted for the existence of logic. If I'm wrong about logic or one of it's characteristics, then show me where. [[User:Ultimahero|Ultimahero]] 23:29, 30 April 2008 (EDT)
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