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:::::[http://abcnews.go.com/WN/LegalCenter/story?id=4342759&page=1 ''Out of the Shadows, Overcoming Illiteracy'']ABC News (26 Feb 2008): "In nearby Grand Rapids, a city of 184,000, one out of every five residents has difficulty reading or cannot read at all." The interesting thing about that very significant illiteracy rate is that despite being surrounded by traditional conservative strongholds, the city itself is surprisingly Democratic: "the city tends to elect Democrats. Both of its representatives in the Michigan State House of Representatives are Democrats, and in the past two presidential elections Democratic candidates Al Gore and John Kerry won the majority of votes in the city of Grand Rapids." [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Rapids%2C_Michigan#Government_and_politics] Okay, so that's just one example, hardly enough to convince the skeptics, but I'm sure there are many more. [[Image:User Fox.png|10px]] [[User:Fox|Fox]] <small>([[User talk:Fox|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Fox|contribs]])</small> 14:21, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
 
:::::[http://abcnews.go.com/WN/LegalCenter/story?id=4342759&page=1 ''Out of the Shadows, Overcoming Illiteracy'']ABC News (26 Feb 2008): "In nearby Grand Rapids, a city of 184,000, one out of every five residents has difficulty reading or cannot read at all." The interesting thing about that very significant illiteracy rate is that despite being surrounded by traditional conservative strongholds, the city itself is surprisingly Democratic: "the city tends to elect Democrats. Both of its representatives in the Michigan State House of Representatives are Democrats, and in the past two presidential elections Democratic candidates Al Gore and John Kerry won the majority of votes in the city of Grand Rapids." [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Rapids%2C_Michigan#Government_and_politics] Okay, so that's just one example, hardly enough to convince the skeptics, but I'm sure there are many more. [[Image:User Fox.png|10px]] [[User:Fox|Fox]] <small>([[User talk:Fox|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Fox|contribs]])</small> 14:21, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
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::::::This is great Fox.  Thanks for at least providing some sources.  So we have two sources that both look pretty good, one says one thing  and the other says the opposite.  So we indeed have something worth researching.  But let's at least try and let Fox and others lead the research, rather than ASchlafly - at least Fox has the dignity to provide some backup for the theory.  [[User:GaryK|GaryK]] 14:36, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
    
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