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== Moral Realism and the Moral Zeitgeist==

== Moral Realism and the Moral Zeitgeist==

Another view of the moral zeitgeist is that all moral controversy is strictly a matter of factual dispute or pointing out logical flaws in other people's argument. For instance, some people held the empirical premise black people should not be considered humans in an attempt to justify slavery. Once that empirical premise was disproven, and blacks where shown to be just as much humans as other people, that justified equality instead. So slavery is not considered immoral on the Moral Zeitgeist due to an arbitrary change in popular opinion, but by the refutation of the flawed empirical premise of slavery.

Another view of the moral zeitgeist is that all moral controversy is strictly a matter of factual dispute or pointing out logical flaws in other people's argument. For instance, some people held the empirical premise black people should not be considered humans in an attempt to justify slavery. Once that empirical premise was disproven, and blacks where shown to be just as much humans as other people, that justified equality instead. So slavery is not considered immoral on the moral zeitgeist due to an arbitrary change in popular opinion, but by the refutation of the flawed empirical premise of slavery.

The moral zeitgeist is thus compatible with [[moral realism]], the notion that true moral facts exists. Atheist and secular humanist Richard Carrier, a defender of moral realism, writes

The moral zeitgeist is thus compatible with [[moral realism]], the notion that true moral facts exists. Atheist and secular humanist Richard Carrier, a defender of moral realism, writes