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Then how is McCain the nominee when the delegates haven't been voted and Ron Paul hasn't conceded?  Technically both candidates are the presumptive nominee. And even the [http://www.democrats.org DNC's website] has him listed on the front page as the nominee. --[[User:Jareddr|Jareddr]] 21:17, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
 
Then how is McCain the nominee when the delegates haven't been voted and Ron Paul hasn't conceded?  Technically both candidates are the presumptive nominee. And even the [http://www.democrats.org DNC's website] has him listed on the front page as the nominee. --[[User:Jareddr|Jareddr]] 21:17, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
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: That's a silly appeal to consistency.  Ron Paul is nowhere near John McCain in popular vote or delegate tallies.  In contrast, Hillary Clinton won the popular vote and is close in delegate count.
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: The odds are overwhelming that Obama will win the nomination.  But it's error to claim he's already won it when his close rival has not conceded.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 21:22, 4 June 2008 (EDT)
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