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:Benp, "marriage" in the context of government is simple - it is about having the right to obtain a civil marriage license from the government, and to receive all of the rights abnd privileges associated with being ''legally'' married from the perspective of the law.  One can be married in the eyes of the government without ever participating in a religious ceremony.  The government is also not permitted to make any religion endorse or perform marriages that are not recognized in that faith.  A good example is that the Catholic Church is not obliged to marry anyone in a Catholic ceremony who is not eligible by their criteria, including people who are divorced by civil law but still considered married to their prior spouse(s) by the Catholic Church.  Allowing divorced people to remarry without a church annulment is already an affront to orthodox Catholics, so society has precedents for civil law allowing the freedom to live private lives without bowing to the traditions of one faith or another. --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 18:20, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
 
:Benp, "marriage" in the context of government is simple - it is about having the right to obtain a civil marriage license from the government, and to receive all of the rights abnd privileges associated with being ''legally'' married from the perspective of the law.  One can be married in the eyes of the government without ever participating in a religious ceremony.  The government is also not permitted to make any religion endorse or perform marriages that are not recognized in that faith.  A good example is that the Catholic Church is not obliged to marry anyone in a Catholic ceremony who is not eligible by their criteria, including people who are divorced by civil law but still considered married to their prior spouse(s) by the Catholic Church.  Allowing divorced people to remarry without a church annulment is already an affront to orthodox Catholics, so society has precedents for civil law allowing the freedom to live private lives without bowing to the traditions of one faith or another. --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 18:20, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
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::But, again, those "rights and privileges" are not inherently part of marriage; they're things the government has, over time, linked to marriage.  There's nothing about marriage that inherently carries tax benefits with it, for instance.  It seems to me that it would be better to draw a clear line of demarcation between marriage (in which I think the government has no business meddling) and civil benefits (which could easily be conferred through a separate "civil union.")  --[[User:Benp|Benp]] 18:41, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
    
The powers of a federal government should be limited to the aspects of society that have a clear and undeniable need to be maintained on a national level versus a state or local level.  Defense of the nation, interstate commerce, and basic freedoms (speech, press, etc.) are clearly best defined and managed at the federal level, but something that is subjective and values-based like marriage should not be.
 
The powers of a federal government should be limited to the aspects of society that have a clear and undeniable need to be maintained on a national level versus a state or local level.  Defense of the nation, interstate commerce, and basic freedoms (speech, press, etc.) are clearly best defined and managed at the federal level, but something that is subjective and values-based like marriage should not be.
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