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→Mandela was convicted of terrorism
''And since he was convicted of terrorism this should be included in his article.'' Convicted by a legal system that used an evil brand of racist ideology to maintain the position of the privileged few to the detriment of an oppressed minority. A system that was the object of universal scorn of virtually every country that it shared a continent with and most of the people of conscience in the rest of the world. Really, I have no interest in validating the apartheid regime by recognizing Mandela's conviction for anything more than it was: Part of a racially-motivated attempt to keep a people down.
''And since he was convicted of terrorism this should be included in his article.'' Convicted by a legal system that used an evil brand of racist ideology to maintain the position of the privileged few to the detriment of an oppressed minority. A system that was the object of universal scorn of virtually every country that it shared a continent with and most of the people of conscience in the rest of the world. Really, I have no interest in validating the apartheid regime by recognizing Mandela's conviction for anything more than it was: Part of a racially-motivated attempt to keep a people down.
''Just because you oppose a system, does it give you the right to use violence to change it?'' Sometimes yes. At the risk of invoking Godwin's law this early in the debate (though you already seized the moral high ground by evoking 9-11, so I feel okay with this)- was there any otther solution that violence to the evil of Nazi Germany? Colonialism IS violence. Read Fanon's "Wretched of the Earth," he put it more artfully than I could ever hope to. [[User:AliceBG|AliceBG]] 21:22, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
''Just because you oppose a system, does it give you the right to use violence to change it?'' Sometimes yes. At the risk of invoking Godwin's law this early in the debate (though you already seized the moral high ground by evoking 9-11, so I feel okay with this)- was there any otther solution that violence to the evil of Nazi Germany? Colonialism IS violence. Read Fanon's "Wretched of the Earth," he put it more artfully than I could ever hope to. [[User:AliceBG|AliceBG]] 21:22, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
Opinions and more opinions. ''Evil brand of racist ideology'', ''detriment of an oppressed minority'' (are you referring to the Cape Afrikaner oppression of the Boer nation when you speak of an oppressed minority?).
Conscience, who are you to say what a conscience is or is not?
So if I decide I oppose a system I can start blowing up buildings, shooting people and generally behaving like a terrorist thug, that's nice to know. I'll keep that in mind if I hear a certain candidate wins the election in America.
Nazi Germany is immaterial, because that was a case of countries engaging in a war, not in a band of self-styled "freedom fighters" like the ANC trying to overthrow an elected government.
Well Mandela was convicted and whether your recognise it or not is pretty irrelevant to this article. Nelson Mandela is, in my opinion an evil man, whom I wish had been dealt with much less pleasantly than he was, but that is my opinion and should come into how I edit the article. Just like your opinion of him should not influence your editting of the article either.
The argument that violence is okay in some cases but not in others cannot stand up.
[[User:Alfred123|Alfred123]] 21:31, 5 June 2008 (EDT)