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→The effects of Atheism: Morals are based on worldviews, which atheism is an example of.
::--[[User:Rspeed|Rspeed]] 21:06, 6 June 2008 (EDT)
::--[[User:Rspeed|Rspeed]] 21:06, 6 June 2008 (EDT)
::: No, it's not a function of society to provide morality. It's dependent on a worldview, which is what atheism is.
::: Atheism is not just a passive, disinterested, observer in all this. No, atheism ''teaches'' that it is up to man (rather than God) to decide what is right and what is wrong. Therefore, it ''teaches'' that it is legitimate to decide that murder is good in some circumstances. David A. Noebel writes in ''The Battle for Truth'':
{{QuoteBox|According to the Marxist [a form of atheism], the acceptable form of conduct in class morality is whatever it takes to accomplish the ultimate goal—namely, a classless communist society. In other words, the end justifies the means. ... An action is moral when it helps overthrow the bourgeoisie.<br />
... The problem, of course, is than man can justify mistreating his fellow man by claiming that it will serve in the long run a 'higher good.' ... In the case of the Ukrainians, the "means" included shooting, starvation, and slave labor in Siberia. Joseph Stalin referred to such action as the liquidation of the kulak class.}}
::: If evolution has a place, then so does atheism, a worldview with evolution as its intellectual basis.
::: I'm not following your point about the evolution section. I don't know why you consider that section not "well sourced". The part you removed was a two-sentence paragraph pointing out that the evolution argument assumes evolution to be true, which is not a given, and a quote which was ''not'' arguing that evolution is debatable. Rather, it's a rebuttal to your point above that "Scientific experiments provide a strong theory for the origin of morals via evolution". They do no such thing.
::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 02:08, 7 June 2008 (EDT)