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:::::::: We were talking about the DI's criticism of the judge using the ACLU submission in his judgement (or whatever), not their criticism of the judge being an activist.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 11:07, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
 
:::::::: We were talking about the DI's criticism of the judge using the ACLU submission in his judgement (or whatever), not their criticism of the judge being an activist.  [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 11:07, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
 
::::::::: Ah, right. This whole thing is bit hard for me to follow. How about [http://brightline.typepad.com/law_evolution_science_and/2006/12/judge_jones_laz.html this?] [[User:Wandering|Wandering]] 11:19, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
 
::::::::: Ah, right. This whole thing is bit hard for me to follow. How about [http://brightline.typepad.com/law_evolution_science_and/2006/12/judge_jones_laz.html this?] [[User:Wandering|Wandering]] 11:19, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
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::::::::::An excellent opinion piece Wandering.  I propose that we use 'Rule 52' [http://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcp/Rule52.htm] in the article to reference the 'findings of fact' rebuttal.  The National Center for Science Education is an excellent source for material that refutes much of what the Discovery Institute and other creationists have to say about ID.  Mr. Schlafly even used them as a source for a few of the edits he made.  The best resource for this article in rebutting the claims of the DI is the trial transcripts, also posted at the NCSE.  Two of the DI's big guns did not fare well during the trial.  Judges Jones even quoted and criticized their testimony in his decision.--[[User:Jimmy|Jimmy]] 11:34, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
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