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:::Wait, so - at no point did the Jews have faith in God? [[User:Wandering|Wandering]] 22:22, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
:::Wait, so - at no point did the Jews have faith in God? [[User:Wandering|Wandering]] 22:22, 14 June 2008 (EDT)
:::To your objection: ''There are virtually no references to faith in the Old Testament''. I went to BibleGateway and found the word faith, faithful, or faithless a total of [http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=faith&version1=49&searchtype=all&limit=none&wholewordsonly=no 96 times]. It is simply incorrect to say that the OT does not make a big deal about faith. Sure, it's not as much as the NT, but I already explained that. Also, remember the word "believe" is connected directly in the Greek to the word "faith." They are synonymous. "Then he [Abraham] <u>believed</u> in the LORD; and He reckoned it to him as righteousness." (Genesis 15:6)
:::For your question: ''I don't understand the "about God" reference''. I would recommend that you listen to this lecture by Dr. Dallas Willard, entitled ''[http://www.scriptoriumdaily.com/2008/01/07/how-people-perish-for-lack-of-knowledge/ How People Perish for Lack of Knowledge]''. Other than that, are you talking about us (in modern day) reading those accounts and receiving knowledge of God? Or are you talking about Peter stepping out on the water and faith and having knowledge of God?
:::I'll take the Peter one... Say you are Peter, and you are in the boat. What impulse do you think would compel you to get out of that boat, when there is a fierce storm going on? I mean Peter has got to be used to this type of weather by now, so if he is having trouble, why would he have any desire to put himself in danger? But Peter knows something. (1) He has seen what Christ can do, (2) Christ is Himself outside the boat and calling him (and by the way, Jesus is not sinking, so it can't be too bad). Those two bits of ''knowledge'' on the part of Peter are able to help him overcome the uncertainty of the wind and the waves. But then when Peter takes his eyes off of Jesus (stops trusting in Him), he starts sinking. Peter then starts trusting in himself. Peter starts focusing on the uncertainties of whether he could really make it or not, rater than the certainty that there was standing on the water with him (Jesus).
:::Don't know if that made sense, but maybe :-) --[[User:Ymmotrojam|Ymmotrojam]] 22:39, 14 June 2008 (EDT)