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Conservapedia talk:Lenski dialog (view source)
Revision as of 05:42, June 15, 2008
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:::::::: '''''"To allow others to replicate and build on''' work published in PNAS, authors must..."'' Out of curiosity, which part of his experiment are you trying to replicate that need additional information not available in the paper? Maybe you should tell him, he could easily help you with that. If you are not replicating the experiment, then did you have a real question or concern, or a weakness that you identified, like "I had a concern about this-and-that procedure of the strain selection, it seems particularly vulnerable to contamination" he would be quite happy to help you too. But hey, that requires that you have a clue about the subject matter.
:::::::: '''''"To allow others to replicate and build on''' work published in PNAS, authors must..."'' Out of curiosity, which part of his experiment are you trying to replicate that need additional information not available in the paper? Maybe you should tell him, he could easily help you with that. If you are not replicating the experiment, then did you have a real question or concern, or a weakness that you identified, like "I had a concern about this-and-that procedure of the strain selection, it seems particularly vulnerable to contamination" he would be quite happy to help you too. But hey, that requires that you have a clue about the subject matter.
:::::::: -- [[User:Carafe|Carafe]] 00:32, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
==== Scientific Scrutiny and Disclosure ====
I was wondering how anyone possibly could conclude from this exchange that Lenski was hiding something. I came to the conclusion that some people must not understand how scientific scrutiny works. I wrote a guide.
<u>Scientific scrutiny works like this:</u><br>
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|<i>'''Scientist A''' publishes results.<br>
'''Scientist B''': A, I tried duplicating your experiment, but parameters x, y, and z that I need were not in your article. I need you to disclose to me x, y, and z that you used at the time. What are they?<br>
'''A''': x, y, and z are such and such.<br>
'''B''': Using x, y, and z, my result doesn't agree with yours at all. Are you sure you did the procedures that you claimed?<br>
'''A''': ...<br>
'''B''': You fraud!</i>
<u>Scientific scrutiny ''does not'' work like this:</u><br>
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'''A''' publishes results.<br>
'''B''': It has come to my attention that Generic Skepticism has been directed toward your article. Under code viii of the Publication Criteria, I demand that you give me all of your data!<br>
'''A''': ... ok...? It seems that everything you would need is already in the article. Did you have something specific in mind?<br>
'''B''': A has refused to attach all data he has ever used for the experiment. He is withholding information and thus hiding something.
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-- [[User:Carafe|Carafe]] 01:42, 15 June 2008 (EDT)
== responses of creation scientists to Lenski matter ==
== responses of creation scientists to Lenski matter ==