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I have to run an errand but want to you everyone know, as I've said before, that it's only productive to discuss something with somebody who has an open mind.  If you agree with my statement that "It's unscientific for others to repeat as true an unverified claim based on concealed data," then let's talk.  If not, then please rant somewhere else.  Thanks.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 13:34, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 
I have to run an errand but want to you everyone know, as I've said before, that it's only productive to discuss something with somebody who has an open mind.  If you agree with my statement that "It's unscientific for others to repeat as true an unverified claim based on concealed data," then let's talk.  If not, then please rant somewhere else.  Thanks.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 13:34, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
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:::: In the 'Piltdown all over again' thread above, I list all three instances of 'data not shown' from the paper and point out that, according to my understanding of what is being reported, the conclusions are not relevant to the point being made. Therefore (reinforcing what aaronp says) I would not expect the data to be shown and do not understand what use it would be to anyone interested in arguing with the paper's conclusions. Again, I could be wrong, but please if you disagree, address the point by explaining how the unshown data would be relevant to the conclusions of the paper.
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:::: With regard to aschlafly's last comment, please tell me what data you believe has not been revealed. My contention is all the relevant data is in figure 1. I am happy to be shown to be wrong, but please explain what data you think has not been revealed. -divaricatum 10:40 June 20 2008 (PDT)
    
==Note re. article==
 
==Note re. article==
 
As an aside, I' wonder if someone couldn't place some information at the head of the article here?  At present, the article simply starts into a "first letter" to "a Prof. Lenski".  The article should have a little setup to introduce readers to what on Earth it's all about.  There is no reference in the article to the rest of the debate, basically.  Just an FYI.  [[User:StatsFan|StatsFan]] 13:17, 20 June 2008 (EDT)
 
As an aside, I' wonder if someone couldn't place some information at the head of the article here?  At present, the article simply starts into a "first letter" to "a Prof. Lenski".  The article should have a little setup to introduce readers to what on Earth it's all about.  There is no reference in the article to the rest of the debate, basically.  Just an FYI.  [[User:StatsFan|StatsFan]] 13:17, 20 June 2008 (EDT)

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