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:References shouldn't just be on the talk page.  I want to see you incorporate the reference information that you have here, including any quotes, into reference forms on the article.  I see belief.net predated you.  Not having followed this article, I was unaware of that.  Since there were no references on the main page and that was the last source quoted, I assumed that was your source.  As far as Dean not knowing what his church teaches, please.  I don't know whether or not you are religious yourself, but I am a regular church attender and it would be very difficult for me not to know what my church teaches when I hear sermons week in and week out.  If Dean says that is a misrepresentation of Mormon belief, then what he says the Mormon Church believes will be included into the article as well.  And don't tell me that he doesn't know any better.  If he has been an active member for many years and never heard these things, then it's not something they actively believe or else he would have heard it.  I would imagine the truth will fall somewhere in the middle. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 17:50, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
 
:References shouldn't just be on the talk page.  I want to see you incorporate the reference information that you have here, including any quotes, into reference forms on the article.  I see belief.net predated you.  Not having followed this article, I was unaware of that.  Since there were no references on the main page and that was the last source quoted, I assumed that was your source.  As far as Dean not knowing what his church teaches, please.  I don't know whether or not you are religious yourself, but I am a regular church attender and it would be very difficult for me not to know what my church teaches when I hear sermons week in and week out.  If Dean says that is a misrepresentation of Mormon belief, then what he says the Mormon Church believes will be included into the article as well.  And don't tell me that he doesn't know any better.  If he has been an active member for many years and never heard these things, then it's not something they actively believe or else he would have heard it.  I would imagine the truth will fall somewhere in the middle. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 17:50, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
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::L.T., many "anti-cult" advocates will claim that a church they hate lets most members believe one thing while having stronger teachings for the more deeply initiated. You don't get to hear about the stronger more "authentic" teachings until you get into some sort of inner circle. They seem to think this is common knowledge and that the burden of proof is on the church to demonstrate that they don't "keep two sets of books" theologically. This is nonsense and won't be tolerated here.
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::I'll say this one last time, and those who refuse to accept it can just go join another project: we trust Dean to tell us what his church teaches. The burden of proof is on non-Conservapedians (such as our recent visitor U.H.) to prove that obscure or outdated teachings are current and valid. One more word out of line and he's gone - I have no more time for this nonsense. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] <sup>[[User talk:Ed Poor|Talk]]</sup> 18:57, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
    
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