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::Also,  IMO knowing the goals of the experiment and the purposes of the experimental methodologies are important parts of understanding the experiment.    Also,  the candor of the researchers is in question here -- as shown above,  I did not get straight consistent answers to simple,  basic questions.[[User:LarryFarma|LarryFarma]] 12:27, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
 
::Also,  IMO knowing the goals of the experiment and the purposes of the experimental methodologies are important parts of understanding the experiment.    Also,  the candor of the researchers is in question here -- as shown above,  I did not get straight consistent answers to simple,  basic questions.[[User:LarryFarma|LarryFarma]] 12:27, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
 
:::There are two possibilities.  It was the goal.  It was not the goal.  The result is that they have produced Cit+.  If it was the goal then they have demonstrated what they set out to demonstrate. Well done.  If it was not the goal then serendipity has favored them. It is no means unusual in science for unexpected results to further the cause of science.  Nobody would reject or question them because they were unexpected.  Indeed they are even more welcome if they're unexpected because something new has been learned.  So again - well done. I don't see the problem.--[[User:British_cons|British_cons]] [[User_talk:British_cons|(talk)]] 12:45, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
 
:::There are two possibilities.  It was the goal.  It was not the goal.  The result is that they have produced Cit+.  If it was the goal then they have demonstrated what they set out to demonstrate. Well done.  If it was not the goal then serendipity has favored them. It is no means unusual in science for unexpected results to further the cause of science.  Nobody would reject or question them because they were unexpected.  Indeed they are even more welcome if they're unexpected because something new has been learned.  So again - well done. I don't see the problem.--[[User:British_cons|British_cons]] [[User_talk:British_cons|(talk)]] 12:45, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
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::::British_cons''':'''  As I said,  suppose that a committee is considering this research for an award -- wouldn't this research be much less deserving of an award if Cit+ evolution were just an unforeseen accident?      Also,  the candor of the researchers is in question here -- as I showed above,  I did not get straight consistent answers to simple,  basic questions.    As I noted above,  Cit+ evolution had been observed before,  so it seems that repeating it was a likely goal of the experiment.      Also,  I asked about the purpose(s) of the glucose-cycling and I got no answer to that question.    Knowing the goals of the research and the purposes of the experimental methodologies are important parts of understanding the research.[[User:LarryFarma|LarryFarma]] 14:07, 27 June 2008 (EDT)
    
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