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Line 40: − − :: This article is getting WAAAAAAAY out of hand. We need to restructure it. Line 84:
Line 82: − − :::So wait, we have to have a negative picture of him at the top? Line 97:
Line 93: − − I think it's disgusting and borderline racist that anyone could say he got where he got as a result of affirmative action. He worked his way into Harvard on a scholarship, he was elected the first black president of the Harvard Law Review (if he was the first black one, they must have just implemented AA right before he got there) and he actually ran against ANOTHER BLACK GUY for his Senate seat, a black guy who was 100% black instead of Obama's 50%. So if affirmative action worked the other guy should've won. − − Face it. Liberals can accomplish things. Blacks can accomplish things. Quit tearing someone down. Line 125:
Line 117: − − :: He was referring to abortion, not sex ed. But fun fact: there is no nationwide sex ed program in the US but most statewide ones are abstinence only. Britain has a nationwide comprehensive sex ed program, and their teen birth rate is a third what ours is. So yeah, abstinence really works. LOL Line 166:
Line 156: − − : Oh, and if he's anti-soldier, what about this http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/28/obama-quietly-visits-veterans-at-walter-reed/? − The fact is, I understand this website is meant to promote conservative ideals but it's not meant to spread lies about the other side. That's not what conservatism's about. Line 634:
Line 621: − − This article is also rife with lies. Obama never went to a Muslim school, he is not the most liberal senator. He was voted the most liberal in only 2007--probably because he was campaigning a lot and only got back to the senate when it was a very important, to-his-heart bill up for voting. But of course the McCain page will never mention that McCain was so absent from the Senate that year they couldn't even rank him.
Reverted edits by InvisibleElephant (Talk); changed back to last version by Pluto
::Yesaliberal indeed. Where reason fails, resort to infantile mockery. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 07:48, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
::Yesaliberal indeed. Where reason fails, resort to infantile mockery. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 07:48, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
:: Point taken. As I said, the criticisms and his misrepresentations should be included by all means. I'm a firm believer in the "warts and all principle." It's the differences between the layouts of the articles of say Obama and G.W. Bush which introduce the bias that you accuse Wikipedia of. Wouldn't it be unbiased to include criticisms of Bush at the same relative position as Obama, such as the WMDs issue in Iraq? Surely war criticism must rank at least as highly as the "57" issue mentioned in Obama's article, particularly since this is perhaps a case of mis-speaking on Obama's part. Bush is almost legendary for his oratory stumbling. [[User:Yesaliberal|Yesaliberal]] 15:01, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
:: Point taken. As I said, the criticisms and his misrepresentations should be included by all means. I'm a firm believer in the "warts and all principle." It's the differences between the layouts of the articles of say Obama and G.W. Bush which introduce the bias that you accuse Wikipedia of. Wouldn't it be unbiased to include criticisms of Bush at the same relative position as Obama, such as the WMDs issue in Iraq? Surely war criticism must rank at least as highly as the "57" issue mentioned in Obama's article, particularly since this is perhaps a case of mis-speaking on Obama's part. Bush is almost legendary for his oratory stumbling. [[User:Yesaliberal|Yesaliberal]] 15:01, 16 June 2008 (EDT)
== Nomination timing ==
== Nomination timing ==
::Just didn't want to see you get banned for credibility's sake. --[[User:Jareddr|Jareddr]] 21:04, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
::Just didn't want to see you get banned for credibility's sake. --[[User:Jareddr|Jareddr]] 21:04, 5 June 2008 (EDT)
== Obama's personal achievements a result of affirmative action ==
== Obama's personal achievements a result of affirmative action ==
ASchlafly: Is it inconvenient to be so transparent? Do people, like, see you digesting your breakfast and stuff? [[User:Archer070]]
ASchlafly: Is it inconvenient to be so transparent? Do people, like, see you digesting your breakfast and stuff? [[User:Archer070]]
==huh?==
==huh?==
Since we're the trustworthy encyclopedia I see no reason to quote mine and suggest he was referring to abortion. [[User:StatsMsn|StatsMsn]] 21:10, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
Since we're the trustworthy encyclopedia I see no reason to quote mine and suggest he was referring to abortion. [[User:StatsMsn|StatsMsn]] 21:10, 7 June 2008 (EDT)
== Liberal Complaint ==
== Liberal Complaint ==
: Why, yes. Yes they do.--[[User:Irockarolex|Irockarolex]] 15:05, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
: Why, yes. Yes they do.--[[User:Irockarolex|Irockarolex]] 15:05, 10 June 2008 (EDT)
== Michelle Obama ==
== Michelle Obama ==
:::: It's the usage of sources and the presentation of them that is problematic. This article, instead of finding sources and writing an article based off of them, is making claims and then adding "sources" that loosely connect them. An example is the Kenyan father thing; he says his father was a Muslim-turned-atheist, but the article indicates that because less than 1% of Kenyans are atheists, it's impossible. You don't see the problem with that? Even ignoring that Obama himself says his father was an atheist (and who, despite being abandoned by him, knew him far better than any of us), it isn't possible Obama Sr. is one of those less than 1% of Kenyans?
:::: It's the usage of sources and the presentation of them that is problematic. This article, instead of finding sources and writing an article based off of them, is making claims and then adding "sources" that loosely connect them. An example is the Kenyan father thing; he says his father was a Muslim-turned-atheist, but the article indicates that because less than 1% of Kenyans are atheists, it's impossible. You don't see the problem with that? Even ignoring that Obama himself says his father was an atheist (and who, despite being abandoned by him, knew him far better than any of us), it isn't possible Obama Sr. is one of those less than 1% of Kenyans?
:::: And if that isn't enough, here's an interview by British newspaper The Guardian with [http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/06/barackobama.uselections2008 one of Obama Sr.'s daughters by another mother], who says "His [Barack's] father was never a Muslim although he was born into a Muslim family with a Muslim name." That would be a proper source, if it weren't for the fact that it completely contradicts what's written. The Muslim insinuations should be removed. --[[User:Ampersand|Ampersand]] 16:46, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
:::: And if that isn't enough, here's an interview by British newspaper The Guardian with [http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/06/barackobama.uselections2008 one of Obama Sr.'s daughters by another mother], who says "His [Barack's] father was never a Muslim although he was born into a Muslim family with a Muslim name." That would be a proper source, if it weren't for the fact that it completely contradicts what's written. The Muslim insinuations should be removed. --[[User:Ampersand|Ampersand]] 16:46, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
== President experience ==
== President experience ==