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Line 13: − :Wait a second...is the Second Law of Thermodynamics really up for debate here? The amount of information (a.k.a. "entropy") in a system will always decrease over time, with or without the presence/action of intelligence. This is elementary-school-level material, folks.+ + + + +
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::::::Oh. No, whether or not intelligence can derive from anything but intelligence is probably going to remain an issue of contention. But having a neutral description of the basics down might help resolve it. As it stands, it's not even clear what the claim is supposed to mean. [[User:Tsumetai|Tsumetai]] 07:42, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
::::::Oh. No, whether or not intelligence can derive from anything but intelligence is probably going to remain an issue of contention. But having a neutral description of the basics down might help resolve it. As it stands, it's not even clear what the claim is supposed to mean. [[User:Tsumetai|Tsumetai]] 07:42, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
== 2nd Law ==
Wait a second...is the Second Law of Thermodynamics really up for debate here? The amount of information (a.k.a. "entropy") in a system will always decrease over time, with or without the presence/action of intelligence. This is elementary-school-level material, folks. {{unsigned|Pohl}}
: Information is not entropy, although there is a connection. To the extent that they are related, entropy ''increases'' as information ''decreases''. Entropy is the amount of ''disorder'' in a system, whereas information is analogous to the amount of ''order''. Also, the 2nd law applies to a ''closed'' system. Information can be added from outside an open system, or, obviously, from an intelligence (the source of all information). [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 20:33, 30 June 2008 (EDT)