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Let's not forget that two types of perpetual motion machines are defined. The first type is one that doesn't satisfy the First Law of Thermodynamics, while the second type doesn't satisfy the Second Law of Thermodynamics. And it is possible to design machines which satisfy both and are perpetual. Any watch based on solar energy for example. [[User:SilvioB|SilvioB]] 17:07, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
 
Let's not forget that two types of perpetual motion machines are defined. The first type is one that doesn't satisfy the First Law of Thermodynamics, while the second type doesn't satisfy the Second Law of Thermodynamics. And it is possible to design machines which satisfy both and are perpetual. Any watch based on solar energy for example. [[User:SilvioB|SilvioB]] 17:07, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
 
:But a solar-powered watch isn't a closed system.  It gains energy from the sun. -[[User:CSGuy|CSGuy]] 18:01, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
 
:But a solar-powered watch isn't a closed system.  It gains energy from the sun. -[[User:CSGuy|CSGuy]] 18:01, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
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::Absolutely. Just giving an example of a machine moving perpetually. But a REAL perpetually moving machine is impossible by definition - as long as either the First or the Second Law of Thermodynamics isn't falsified. [[User:SilvioB|SilvioB]] 18:04, 3 July 2008 (EDT)
    
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