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| | How are you defining "other powers"? I would argue that evil is result of man's choice to rebel against God. So, man could fit into the "other powers" section, by that definition. But nothing exists that God didn't either directly bring about or allowed to come about. (Ex: Man is a result of God directly bringing him into existence; man's evil is a result of God allowing man to choose to sin.) But this doesn't mean that God '''is''' everything. I can paint a picture, but that doesn't make me the painting. God can create but that doesn't make Him the creation. [[User:BillyJ|BillyJ]] 22:04, 7 July 2008 (EDT) | | How are you defining "other powers"? I would argue that evil is result of man's choice to rebel against God. So, man could fit into the "other powers" section, by that definition. But nothing exists that God didn't either directly bring about or allowed to come about. (Ex: Man is a result of God directly bringing him into existence; man's evil is a result of God allowing man to choose to sin.) But this doesn't mean that God '''is''' everything. I can paint a picture, but that doesn't make me the painting. God can create but that doesn't make Him the creation. [[User:BillyJ|BillyJ]] 22:04, 7 July 2008 (EDT) |
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| | + | Well... |
| | + | I think the biggest mistake all of you on this site has made, and that counts for every christian person which have the same view too, is that God once upon a time in the beginning of his creation chose to abandon the human race because of an error they persumably made. |
| | + | Allthough you talk about free will, if God had all the possible powers in the world to create whatever he wanted, than one would think that the first highly intellegent creature he created (namely humans), should have been been a little more wise and perfected than what was obviously the case (since they choosed to go against the will of god and to be cast out from the Garden of Even, which in some way can be looked on as heaven). |
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| | + | Either it really sounds like God wasn't fully capeable of creating only divine creations, or else, the darkness which came when the humans choose to abandon god (which I think you mean is only for as long as humans exists on this earth) wasn't either a mistake from god, and neither from the humans. |
| | + | Because, if god created us with minds that are only capeable to think selfishly and ruthlessly, then it isn't we that should be blammed. (I hope some of you can see the logic in that). |
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| | + | I think that god created us in the unperfect way we were in from the beginning, so that we could experiance what the effects of our mistakes would be, and so, gradualy, to become more in harmony with the world, and in absolute, more in harmony with god. |
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| | + | I think that it is the misson of "free will", so that the humans can learn what is right and what is wrong, and the more you understand this, the closer to god you will get. |
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| | + | A lot of wrabble mabye, but I see the creation of everything god has made as a complete logical creation, which in you viewpoint normally is totally oppisite, since you feel that all humans have been born with guilt and are obviously not a creation that god is proud of, so you hope that god can forgive you be pleeding him for forgivness. |
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| | + | Btw, that thing I said about "other powers" was just an example to show that god isn't so much a existing person or angry being as he is both a prinsiple of all that is created and also the divine creator of all. --[[User:Nabroon|Nabroon]] 10:18, 8 July 2008 (EDT) |