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→The use of the Time Magazine reference: You asked, here is the answer
::::So I should expand the sentence to include a range of specific issues and quotes? [[User:Tmtoulouse|Tmtoulouse]] 23:43, 19 March 2007 (EDT)
::::So I should expand the sentence to include a range of specific issues and quotes? [[User:Tmtoulouse|Tmtoulouse]] 23:43, 19 March 2007 (EDT)
<undent> OKAY, I will specify the problem you have created, Tmtoulouse. Our Scientology article has this this sentence and link: ''Scientology has also been criticized heavily for using [[brain washing]] and [[mind control]].'' [http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,972865,00.html]
* You introduced that sentence at this [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Scientology&diff=46191&oldid=46175 editing difference]. At that time the link was to a Xenu.net personal essay titled ''THOUGHT CONTROL AND SCIENTOLOGY''. Later, without changing the sentence (same sentence) you changed its attribution. This [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Scientology&diff=47011&oldid=46216 editing difference]. That was the sequence. The new attribution to the sentence became [http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,972865,00.html the ''Time'' article]. So now we have it as a reference to Scientology's purported [[mind control]] and [[brainwashing]]. So I read the ''Time'' article. The term [[mind control]] appears twice.
*Pg. 2 (top); "According to the Cult Awareness Network, whose 23 chapters monitor more than 200 "[[mind control]]" cults, no group prompts more telephone pleas for help than does Scientology."
** This statement says the Cult Awareness Network monitors mind control cults and by implication, considers that Scientology is such a cult. It does not say that Scientology has ever used [[mind control]] and gives no example or or even indication that Scientology does. The Cult Awareness Network is no more, through its own criminal mistakes and other mistakes, it no longer exists as it did. Therefore, The Cult Awareness Network's classification of Scientology as a [[mind control]] cult does not stand up, it does not hold water.
* Pg. 3 (middle) "Psychiatrists say these sessions can produce a drugged-like, mind-controlled euphoria that keeps customers coming back for more."
** A sentence of this nature does not tell us exactly what a "drugged-like, mind-controlled euphoria" is. Nor does not tell us how many psychiatrists said so, or how detailed their studies were to produce the psychiatric conclusion. It doesn't tell us that any of the psychiatrists who said so had ever seen the people they were talking about, it gives us no real basis of their judgement. Hardly enough data to say, "criticized heavily for using [[mind control]], would you say?
* There is no three. [[Mind Control]] (in any form) is used only twice in the whole of the article. [[Brainwashing]] does not appear at all. Said simply, the sentence is not supported by its attribution.
* That is what I am talking about, okay ? [[User:Terryeo|Terryeo]] 03:04, 20 March 2007 (EDT)