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::::Perhaps, but if freedom of thought is to be embraced, then surely this is one of the most important things to teach, allowing the young person to think for themself.  The list as it stands has quite an authoritarian, commanding look to it.  [[User:Sideways|Sideways]] 09:21, 1 September 2008 (EDT)
 
::::Perhaps, but if freedom of thought is to be embraced, then surely this is one of the most important things to teach, allowing the young person to think for themself.  The list as it stands has quite an authoritarian, commanding look to it.  [[User:Sideways|Sideways]] 09:21, 1 September 2008 (EDT)
 
:::::Better that than 'Hey! Dude! Like, anything goes!' [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 09:26, 1 September 2008 (EDT)
 
:::::Better that than 'Hey! Dude! Like, anything goes!' [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 09:26, 1 September 2008 (EDT)
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::Not necessarily a bad thing - I did specifically say that it might be "spectacularly good" - but it must ''necessarily'' have something wrong with it. "Good" and "bad" is a matter of gradient, "right" and "wrong" are binary, the two only meet at "perfection".  The problem with authority is that its a good place to hide from ''responsibility''.  "Why did you do that?", "Because x told me to" nicely shifts the blame onto x.  (I've just seen what you wrote above on self-discipline.  From authority may come discipline, but it prevents ''self''-discipline)--[[User:Toffeeman|Toffeeman]] 09:27, 1 September 2008 (EDT)
    
== Voting Buttons ==
 
== Voting Buttons ==
 
Would voting buttons be a good idea?  My vote would go for "develop good habits", I like that one. After the "fun to decide" one - I wrote that, so obviously it's brilliant :)  --[[User:Toffeeman|Toffeeman]] 08:39, 1 September 2008 (EDT)
 
Would voting buttons be a good idea?  My vote would go for "develop good habits", I like that one. After the "fun to decide" one - I wrote that, so obviously it's brilliant :)  --[[User:Toffeeman|Toffeeman]] 08:39, 1 September 2008 (EDT)
 
:In Middle Earth, much of our behavior is governed by hobbits. It is therefore critical to consciously cultivate good hobbits, and to work to overcome bad hobbits.  [[User:Sideways|Sideways]] 09:24, 1 September 2008 (EDT)
 
:In Middle Earth, much of our behavior is governed by hobbits. It is therefore critical to consciously cultivate good hobbits, and to work to overcome bad hobbits.  [[User:Sideways|Sideways]] 09:24, 1 September 2008 (EDT)
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