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:::::Better that than 'Hey! Dude! Like, anything goes!' [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 09:26, 1 September 2008 (EDT)
 
:::::Better that than 'Hey! Dude! Like, anything goes!' [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 09:26, 1 September 2008 (EDT)
 
::Not necessarily a bad thing - I did specifically say that it might be "spectacularly good" - but it must ''necessarily'' have something wrong with it. "Good" and "bad" is a matter of gradient, "right" and "wrong" are binary, the two only meet at "perfection".  The problem with authority is that its a good place to hide from ''responsibility''.  "Why did you do that?", "Because x told me to" nicely shifts the blame onto x.  (I've just seen what you wrote above on self-discipline.  From authority may come discipline, but it prevents ''self''-discipline)--[[User:Toffeeman|Toffeeman]] 09:27, 1 September 2008 (EDT)
 
::Not necessarily a bad thing - I did specifically say that it might be "spectacularly good" - but it must ''necessarily'' have something wrong with it. "Good" and "bad" is a matter of gradient, "right" and "wrong" are binary, the two only meet at "perfection".  The problem with authority is that its a good place to hide from ''responsibility''.  "Why did you do that?", "Because x told me to" nicely shifts the blame onto x.  (I've just seen what you wrote above on self-discipline.  From authority may come discipline, but it prevents ''self''-discipline)--[[User:Toffeeman|Toffeeman]] 09:27, 1 September 2008 (EDT)
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:::You need to learn discipline before you can discipline yourself. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 09:31, 1 September 2008 (EDT)
    
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