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I would argue instead that it's you who is arguing on ideological grounds.  You've tried to argue simultaneously that evolution is unfalsifiable and falsified.  You vigorously defend the falsifiability of creationism while claiming that falsifiability is an illusion.  Finally, you've cherry picked quotes and statistics out of context to support your argument. Are you so philosophically attached to creationism that you're willing to contradict yourself, or are your arguments are founded on a misunderstanding of the philosophy of science?  Please don't take this as an insult; for the most part you've made intelligent, logically consistent arguments and presented them with the grace befitting a gentleman, but you seem content to fiddle with the definition of science to fit creationism under its umbrella.  I bear no grudge against those who honestly believe in young earth creationism, but it's a religious belief, not a scientific one. That doesn't discount the possibility that its true, but to attempt to define it as science makes a mockery of the scientific method.  [[User:Xyrophile|Xyrophile]] 10:48, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
 
I would argue instead that it's you who is arguing on ideological grounds.  You've tried to argue simultaneously that evolution is unfalsifiable and falsified.  You vigorously defend the falsifiability of creationism while claiming that falsifiability is an illusion.  Finally, you've cherry picked quotes and statistics out of context to support your argument. Are you so philosophically attached to creationism that you're willing to contradict yourself, or are your arguments are founded on a misunderstanding of the philosophy of science?  Please don't take this as an insult; for the most part you've made intelligent, logically consistent arguments and presented them with the grace befitting a gentleman, but you seem content to fiddle with the definition of science to fit creationism under its umbrella.  I bear no grudge against those who honestly believe in young earth creationism, but it's a religious belief, not a scientific one. That doesn't discount the possibility that its true, but to attempt to define it as science makes a mockery of the scientific method.  [[User:Xyrophile|Xyrophile]] 10:48, 12 June 2008 (EDT)
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::I have just seen this discussion and read it with a great deal of interest... is it possible for Philip Rayment to respond to Xyrophile? Both participants have demonstrated themselves to be respectful and coherent debaters and I think it's important that the discussion continue, since this matter is so important. [[User:Sam99foster|Sam99foster]] 09:52, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
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