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Line 11: + − ::::KennyMac, thank you for your strawman. The article never states that macroevolution never happened because it influenced Hitler and Stalin. The article merely states that it influenced Hitler and Stalin in a negative way. Secondly, Christianity may have influenced Pope Innocent III, but the question is how did it influence him? Is there anything in Christ's teaching that influenced that Pope in a negative way? If so, and I don't believe it is so, you have certainly failed to mention it. Of course, perhaps if the Pope in question was not influenced by Christianity he would have been a far worse individual in terms of his actions. I say that as a Protestant who is not exactly enamored with many of the acts of the Pope in question. Certainly Stalin and Hitler were individuals who were at the bottom of the barrel in terms of their deeds.[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:57, 11 September 2008 (EDT)+ + + + +
Talk:Essay: Social Effects of the Theory of Evolution (view source)
Revision as of 23:19, September 14, 2008
, 23:19, September 14, 2008→No, it is certainly NOT a great article...: Depends on what you mean by Christianity
Saying that the "theory" of evolution is why people like Hitler and Stalin exist or have existed is absolute trash and intellectually faulty.[[User:Jros83|Jros83]] 20:53, 7 September 2008 (EDT)
Saying that the "theory" of evolution is why people like Hitler and Stalin exist or have existed is absolute trash and intellectually faulty.[[User:Jros83|Jros83]] 20:53, 7 September 2008 (EDT)
: Agreed - it's a very poor article indeed. If you believe the theory of evolution is wrong because it influenced Hitler, then you MUST believe that Christianity is wrong because it influenced Pope Innocent III (and various other, extremely unpleasant, so-called religious leaders).
: Agreed - it's a very poor article indeed. If you believe the theory of evolution is wrong because it influenced Hitler, then you MUST believe that Christianity is wrong because it influenced Pope Innocent III (and various other, extremely unpleasant, so-called religious leaders).
:By the way, Stalin didn't believe in Darwinian evolution. That was precisely the problem with Trofim [[Lysenko]], who persuaded Stalin that Soviet plant breeding should be based on the pre-Darwinian idea of inheritance of acquired characteristics - with disastrous results.[[User:KennyMac|KennyMac]] 18:59, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
:By the way, Stalin didn't believe in Darwinian evolution. That was precisely the problem with Trofim [[Lysenko]], who persuaded Stalin that Soviet plant breeding should be based on the pre-Darwinian idea of inheritance of acquired characteristics - with disastrous results.[[User:KennyMac|KennyMac]] 18:59, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
::KennyMac, thank you for your strawman. The article never states that macroevolution never happened because it influenced Hitler and Stalin. The article merely states that it influenced Hitler and Stalin in a negative way. Secondly, Christianity may have influenced Pope Innocent III, but the question is how did it influence him? Is there anything in Christ's teaching that influenced that Pope in a negative way? If so, and I don't believe it is so, you have certainly failed to mention it. Of course, perhaps if the Pope in question was not influenced by Christianity he would have been a far worse individual in terms of his actions. I say that as a Protestant who is not exactly enamored with many of the acts of the Pope in question. Certainly Stalin and Hitler were individuals who were at the bottom of the barrel in terms of their deeds.[[User:Conservative|conservative]] 20:57, 11 September 2008 (EDT)
:::Ah well, you're distinguishing between what a modern, bible-based Protestant calls Christianity and the much broader, more general idea of Christianity elsewhere in the world and at other times. No, I can't point to a specific passage of the bible that influenced Pope I3 but I don't think you can say that he would have been an even worse person if he hadn't been influenced by Xtianity. His actions followed a very consistent pattern with an aim of strengthening the Catholic (i.e. universal) church on the basis of all authority stemming from the pope in Rome. That accounts for his promotion of crusades within Europe and the fourth crusade which he encouraged to destroy the Byzantine Empire.
:::The serious point is that you (or at least other CP users) can't attack the theory of evolution just because some of the worst people in history have been influenced by it. Exactly the same is true of Christianity. [[User:KennyMac|KennyMac]] 19:19, 14 September 2008 (EDT)
== Flawed Logic ==
== Flawed Logic ==