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::Can you expand on why you feel that praying silently to one's self can be "nearly inconsequential", and that the real benefit is in public prayer?  That seems to contradict Matthew 6, but I want to understand your views on this better.  --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 23:37, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

::Can you expand on why you feel that praying silently to one's self can be "nearly inconsequential", and that the real benefit is in public prayer?  That seems to contradict Matthew 6, but I want to understand your views on this better.  --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 23:37, 14 September 2008 (EDT)

::I am surprised you assume that I was "only" praying before meals. In college, I went to a Christian University where Chapel attendance was mandatory and group prayer was encouraged, but it did not stop mental illness from developing in college. I did develop some liberal ideas, but that was after I developed mental illness, not before. I was raised Christian, and was into Wicca for awhile, (this was after I'd graduated from college) which primarily benefitted me by emphasizing personal responsibility and choice for my own actions, rather than blaming evil and Satan for everything that went wrong. Moreover, Wicca does indeed allow for self-defense, unlike some brands of Christianity, which teach to "turn the other cheek". It is probably telling that the part I studied most when I was in Wicca was the part about psychic self-defense.  Prayer, by the way, is also considered by Wiccans and pagans to be a form of magic, since it raises and directs energy for a purpose. I did go to a public high school, and the teachers there did not teach many of the things that this article claims they teach. These "secular liberal teachings" seem to me to be the product of peer teachings, not educator teachings. [[User:Userafw|Userafw]] 09:53, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

::I am surprised you assume that I was "only" praying before meals. In college, I went to a Christian University where Chapel attendance was mandatory and group prayer was encouraged, but it did not stop mental illness from developing in college. I did develop some liberal ideas, but that was after I developed mental illness, not before. I was raised Christian, and was into Wicca for awhile, (this was after I'd graduated from college) which primarily benefited me by emphasizing personal responsibility and choice for my own actions, rather than blaming evil and Satan for everything that went wrong. Moreover, Wicca does indeed allow for self-defense, unlike some brands of Christianity, which teach to "turn the other cheek". It is probably telling that the part I studied most when I was in Wicca was the part about psychic self-defense.  Prayer, by the way, is also considered by Wiccans and pagans to be a form of magic, since it raises and directs energy for a purpose. I did go to a public high school, and the teachers there did not teach many of the things that this article claims they teach. These "secular liberal teachings" seem to me to be the product of peer teachings, not educator teachings. By the way, remember perfect love casts out fear.[[User:Userafw|Userafw]] 09:53, 15 September 2008 (EDT)

== Causation fail ==

== Causation fail ==