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Talk:PNAS Response to Letter (view source)
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:::::::::I'm sorry about that, I didn't realize the name was the issue, I've had it since last year and have only returned to edit here again recently. Do you wish me to forget this username and create a new one? I am happy to do so if you wish. Finally, does your comment also refer to the other users on this page such as "jp", "jirby", "Pila" and "Bugler" (whose names you didn't seem to have a problem with)? [[User:BenHur|BenHur]] 20:09, 15 September 2008 (EDT)
:::::::::I'm sorry about that, I didn't realize the name was the issue, I've had it since last year and have only returned to edit here again recently. Do you wish me to forget this username and create a new one? I am happy to do so if you wish. Finally, does your comment also refer to the other users on this page such as "jp", "jirby", "Pila" and "Bugler" (whose names you didn't seem to have a problem with)? [[User:BenHur|BenHur]] 20:09, 15 September 2008 (EDT)
:::::::::Andy - I too, like BenHur, am confused by your definition of "substantive." For example, jp writes only about his opinions of the state of modern science and the current scientific community, nothing at all specific to the PNAS reply letter. BenHur, however, has asked questions directly regarding your original letter (Regarding the use of the Monte Carlo technique and Z-transform) in an attempt to further clarify your position. As far as I can tell, he is not denying the validity of any statement you made, but rather asks for the actual math you performed and further elucidation on the reasoning behind your points. I can hardly see how that is not substantive, it is directly related to the subject at hand: Your letter to PNAS and their response. To quote yourself, "you doth protesteth too much." It is indeed your prerogative to question scientific studies and to raise issues, but to expect to be taken seriously, one should have a complete set of supporting mathematics and evidence for your questions. So far, I have seen you produce no specifics on why Lenski performed an erroneous statistical analaysis, nor why PNAS' claim that your challenges are incorrect is incorrect itself. --[[User:AndrasK|AndrasK]] 20:20, 15 September 2008 (EDT)
:::::Aschafly, perhaps you did not realize that my earlier questions were meant for you. I wish to address the statistical errors in a specific way, which requires a better understanding of your position. I will repeat my main questions: why was it incorrect to apply Monte Carlo techniques to the data in the paper, or in what way was the Monte Carlo technique performed incorrectly? Second, why was it incorrect to apply the Z-transform to the data from the three replays, or in what way was the Z-transform performed incorrectly? In lieu of the Monte Carlo/Z-transform techniques, what statistical calculations ''should'' have been performed? Feel free to be technical; I have more than a ninth grade education.--[[User:Brossa|Brossa]] 17:38, 15 September 2008 (EDT)
:::::Aschafly, perhaps you did not realize that my earlier questions were meant for you. I wish to address the statistical errors in a specific way, which requires a better understanding of your position. I will repeat my main questions: why was it incorrect to apply Monte Carlo techniques to the data in the paper, or in what way was the Monte Carlo technique performed incorrectly? Second, why was it incorrect to apply the Z-transform to the data from the three replays, or in what way was the Z-transform performed incorrectly? In lieu of the Monte Carlo/Z-transform techniques, what statistical calculations ''should'' have been performed? Feel free to be technical; I have more than a ninth grade education.--[[User:Brossa|Brossa]] 17:38, 15 September 2008 (EDT)