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:::I agree completely. That doesn't change the empirical fact that it's a minority view among scholars. [[User:KimEide|KimEide]] 16:28, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

:::I agree completely. That doesn't change the empirical fact that it's a minority view among scholars. [[User:KimEide|KimEide]] 16:28, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

::::I disagree.  I have found that when people use the word "scholars" that it is very specific to their side.  So what is your definition of a scholar?  In my life I have had the privilege of attending a number of different churches, three of which were run by men with PHDs.  All three of them believed in the bodily resurrection of Christ.  Taken across America, that number would be much higher. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 17:39, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

::::I disagree.  I have found that when people use the word "scholars" that it is very specific to their side.  So what is your definition of a scholar?  In my life I have had the privilege of attending a number of different churches, three of which were run by men with PHDs.  All three of them believed in the bodily resurrection of Christ.  Taken across America, that number would be much higher. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 17:39, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

::::If those men had PhDs in New Testament studies (or something related) from a serious University, I would certainly count as scholars. But they would be in the minority in the field of New Testament studies. That's just an empirical fact I happen to know from being employed by a Liberal Arts University. In general though, I think of a scholar as someone who has 1)Studied the literature extensively 2)Defended his knowledge before a panel of other people who have studied the literature extensively (i.e. been awarded an advanced degree)  3)Published in peer-reviewed journals 4)And is or was actively engaged in the professional field, either through writing, teaching (or preaching), researching, giving papers at conferences, etc.

:::::If those men had PhDs in New Testament studies (or something related) from a serious University, I would certainly count them as scholars. But they would be in the minority in the field of New Testament studies. That's just an empirical fact I happen to know from being employed by a Liberal Arts University. In general though, I think of a scholar as someone who has 1)Studied the literature extensively 2)Defended his knowledge before a panel of other people who have studied the literature extensively (i.e. been awarded an advanced degree)  3)Published in peer-reviewed journals 4)And is or was actively engaged in the professional field, either through writing, teaching (or preaching), researching, giving papers at conferences, etc. That's just off the top of my head though. Most scholars will have all four of those. Some will only have three. Maybe occasionally one might just have two. [[User:KimEide|KimEide]] 17:49, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

That's just off the top of my head though. Most scholars will have all four of those. Some will only have three. Maybe occasionally one might just have two. [[User:KimEide|KimEide]] 17:49, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

:::::This is a ridiculous arguement.  The resurrection of Jesus is a matter of faith and can not be verified except by referring to the Bible.  Statistical analysis is a branch of mathematics.  The truths of mathematics are not subject to debate and are not matters of faith.  Appealing to authorities in mathematics is completely different than appealing to a religious authority.  [[User:MickA|MickA]] 17:52, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

::::::This is a ridiculous arguement.  The resurrection of Jesus is a matter of faith and can not be verified except by referring to the Bible.  Statistical analysis is a branch of mathematics.  The truths of mathematics are not subject to debate and are not matters of faith.  Appealing to authorities in mathematics is completely different than appealing to a religious authority.  [[User:MickA|MickA]] 17:52, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

(undent)We're not arguing whether the opinion of a majority of biblical scholars is a reliable indicator of whether Jesus rose from the dead or not. We're just arguing what that majority opinion is. It may seem irrelevant, but it is a crucially important to the issue at hand...ummm...somehow. [[User:KimEide|KimEide]] 18:02, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

(undent)We're not arguing whether the opinion of a majority of biblical scholars is a reliable indicator of whether Jesus rose from the dead or not. We're just arguing what that majority opinion is. It may seem irrelevant, but it is a crucially important to the issue at hand...ummm...somehow. [[User:KimEide|KimEide]] 18:02, 16 September 2008 (EDT)

==Clarification on peer review and anonymity==

==Clarification on peer review and anonymity==