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Talk:Bipolar disorder (view source)
Revision as of 00:27, September 17, 2008
, 00:27, September 17, 2008→Moved from User talk: HelpJazz: "Big Science"?
(unindent)So instead we make up our own theories that have absolutely no clinical correlation whatsoever? Yeah, psychiatric medicine can't explain a lot of the causes of these illnesses but inserting this nonsense isn't doing it any justice either! Psychiatry is not feeling around in the dark, nor is it "speculative in the extreme." Millions of dollars are contributed every year to find the causes and treatments for these disorders. Dollars that go to case studies and drug research—by those big pharmaceutical companies that I'm sure you (Bugler) endorse (strawman intended). I didn't ask for much; just a citation. You can't provide one. The claim should be removed until proper citation is found and verified to be a reputable source. Otherwise, you are just as guilty as you claim "Big Science" to be. [[User:LautRN|Jeffrey W. Lauttamus]][[User_talk:LautRN|<sub>Discussion</sub>]] 17:45, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
(unindent)So instead we make up our own theories that have absolutely no clinical correlation whatsoever? Yeah, psychiatric medicine can't explain a lot of the causes of these illnesses but inserting this nonsense isn't doing it any justice either! Psychiatry is not feeling around in the dark, nor is it "speculative in the extreme." Millions of dollars are contributed every year to find the causes and treatments for these disorders. Dollars that go to case studies and drug research—by those big pharmaceutical companies that I'm sure you (Bugler) endorse (strawman intended). I didn't ask for much; just a citation. You can't provide one. The claim should be removed until proper citation is found and verified to be a reputable source. Otherwise, you are just as guilty as you claim "Big Science" to be. [[User:LautRN|Jeffrey W. Lauttamus]][[User_talk:LautRN|<sub>Discussion</sub>]] 17:45, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
:Not a bit of it! I am advancing a theory; Big Science advances its theories as if they were facts. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 18:45, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
:Not a bit of it! I am advancing a theory; Big Science advances its theories as if they were facts. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 18:45, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
===Big Science===
In reply to the above: how are you defining "Big Science"? It does not seem to be an encyclopedic term (and has no definition within Conservapedia) but rather a loose-fitting pejorative instead of any specific set of disciplines, and most definitions of 'big science' which I have seen do not tend to include medicine, psychology and the social sciences. You seem to be implying that there is something sinister at work in the diagnosis and treatment of people with this disorder, when in fact the expertise provided by medical professionals and researchers is of great benefit to sufferers.
Regarding your claim that "Big Science advances its theories as if they were facts", consider this. The article text, prior to Bugler's changes, stated:
{{cquote|'''Current''' psychiatric/mental health research '''suggests''' that Bipolar Disorder runs in families, as it '''seems to''' have more to do with genes than with upbringing. There '''may be''' a physical problem with the brain systems which control our moods - this is why bipolar disorder '''can often''' be controlled with medication. Episodes '''can sometimes''' be brought on by stressful experiences or physical illness.}}
Notice the subtleties of the words I have highlighted. This text is expressing the widely held consensus of the medical community, and some noticeable trends regarding bipolar disorder, ''not'' a fixed set of unsubstantiated facts as Bugler implies. Compare this to the statement that "this conventional wisdom ignores pressing evidence for environmental conditioning", etc. etc. when in fact no such evidence has been provided or is likely to be provided. Who is actually advancing their theories as if they are facts? [[User:Sideways|Sideways]] 20:27, 16 September 2008 (EDT)
==Medication==
==Medication==