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Now, I have reviewed the conservapedia commandments, and I cannot find any that would be broken by my posting the account of McCarthy's inconsistent claims about the number of names on the list. It is true and verifiable. It is not copied from Wikipedia or some other non-public domain source. I have cites on the ready. I do not post things that aren't "family-friendly" or contain "gossip or foul language." And it is not a matter of my personal opinion that McCarthy first gave the number on the list as 205, then as 57, then as 81. It's a matter of public record.  If reposting that information violates a rule here, please cite that rule. --[[User:PF Fox|PF Fox]] 12:54, 20 March 2007 (EDT)
 
Now, I have reviewed the conservapedia commandments, and I cannot find any that would be broken by my posting the account of McCarthy's inconsistent claims about the number of names on the list. It is true and verifiable. It is not copied from Wikipedia or some other non-public domain source. I have cites on the ready. I do not post things that aren't "family-friendly" or contain "gossip or foul language." And it is not a matter of my personal opinion that McCarthy first gave the number on the list as 205, then as 57, then as 81. It's a matter of public record.  If reposting that information violates a rule here, please cite that rule. --[[User:PF Fox|PF Fox]] 12:54, 20 March 2007 (EDT)
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:Haven't retrieved the photcopy of the Feb. 11 1950 telegram McCarthy to Truman (originated in Reno Nevada) yet.  The cite about Coleman IMO may do a disservice to the anti-McCarthy view because it is somewhat labored to make a point that may not even exist (taking the material above at your word); IOW, it discredits the more salient points of the argument.  I hope to avoid parsing each jot & tittle, which is a characteristic noticable among McCarthy critics for half a century.  We need to summarize some of this information to make the article of encyclopedic quality.
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:No one's disputing your integrity or motives here, indeed we welcome your valuable close to first-hand knowledge of these events--and it is extremely necessary that this retelling of events be fully, and properly understood and preserved.  In McCarthy's case, again IMO, the ''overkill'' may even generate sympathy for McCarthy, because often it's nakedly prejudiced.  I hope you consider this criticism.
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:One does not have to work hard to expose McCarthy's flaws as a human being; but one also has to remember that's what he was, a human being, not a monster or animal.  And all these tales we read too often directly conflict with the accounts of family and friends, even political opponents who worked closely with him, that personally he was quite different than the way his detractors depict him.
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:Let's return to my earlier proposal: divide these two issues (1) the Lee List (and other lists); (2) abuse of witnesses.  I invite you to write the whole section about "Criticism of methods", keeping in mind some economy of scale for an encyclopedic entry.  Then we can collaborate on the Lee List, and this reference doesn't actually have to be more than a few sentences.
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:What sometimes happens when there is more than one view on a subject, the article turns into an arms race, each side piling up more and more source for thier side or to trash the other; let's set some limits on how far we will go in this direction. As I said before, your close knowledge of this matter is ''extremely valuable'' and needs to be articled in a good quality encyclopedic entry.  Thank you very much.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 14:43, 20 March 2007 (EDT)
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