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:Private silent prayer isn't forbidden.  But one has only to follow the controversies with valedictorians not being allowed to mention God in their speeches to know that it is more than teacher led prayer that is being suppressed. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 14:54, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

:Private silent prayer isn't forbidden.  But one has only to follow the controversies with valedictorians not being allowed to mention God in their speeches to know that it is more than teacher led prayer that is being suppressed. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 14:54, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

::That is false. My JROTC had a student Chaplain who lead prayers when we were decommissioning flags, the Campus Crusade for Christ prayed every morning before school on school property in a large group, and my drama group prayed before every show. The football team prayed before every game, in yearbooks seniors thank God for getting them through High School. There were bible meetings during lunch. So aside from some cases going too far, how was anything I put in there incorrect? There was one incident of a student who was told not to evangelize during her acceptance speech, and I agree that was inappropriate. However, one incident does not define the reality of it. There was a controversy, not several. --[[User:IanG|IanG]] 14:59, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

::That is false. My JROTC had a student Chaplain who lead prayers when we were decommissioning flags, the Campus Crusade for Christ prayed every morning before school on school property in a large group, and my drama group prayed before every show. The football team prayed before every game, in yearbooks seniors thank God for getting them through High School. There were bible meetings during lunch. So aside from some cases going too far, how was anything I put in there incorrect? There was one incident of a student who was told not to evangelize during her acceptance speech, and I agree that was inappropriate. However, one incident does not define the reality of it. There was a controversy, not several. --[[User:IanG|IanG]] 14:59, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

::: Learn together is right - you have to look at the big picture. Just because there are a handful of instances where you've witnessed prayer, doesn't mean the government and schools in general don't try to stifle it. Anyone that believes prayer should be limited to "silent prayer" so that nobody knows about it, is, I think, suffering from some sort of prayer phobia. --[[User:DRamon|DRamon]] 15:14, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

::: Learn together is right - you have to look at the big picture. Just because there are a handful of instances where you've witnessed prayer, doesn't mean the government and schools in general don't try to stifle it. Anyone that believes prayer should be limited to "silent prayer" so that nobody knows about it, is, I think, suffering from some sort of [[prayer phobia]]. --[[User:DRamon|DRamon]] 15:14, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

::::You have to look at the big picture. Just because there are a handful of instances where you've witnessed repression of prayer, doesn't mean the government and schools in general try to stifle it. Anyone that believes prayer is limited to "silent prayer" so that nobody knows about it, is, I think, suffering from some sort of liberal phobia. I won't touch the article anymore if you don't wish, but you don't have any right to silence me here. I am not breaking any rules and I am not being rude. Just proving a point. --[[User:IanG|IanG]] 15:24, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

::::You have to look at the big picture. Just because there are a handful of instances where you've witnessed repression of prayer, doesn't mean the government and schools in general try to stifle it. Anyone that believes prayer is limited to "silent prayer" so that nobody knows about it, is, I think, suffering from some sort of liberal phobia. I won't touch the article anymore if you don't wish, but you don't have any right to silence me here. I am not breaking any rules and I am not being rude. Just proving a point. --[[User:IanG|IanG]] 15:24, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

::::: Just to be clear - you're not "proving" anything here. I'll leave your snide remarks on here if you wish, but they will only serve to embarrass you. --[[User:DRamon|DRamon]] 15:33, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

::::: Just to be clear - you're not "proving" anything here. I'll leave your snide remarks on here if you wish, but they will only serve to embarrass you. --[[User:DRamon|DRamon]] 15:33, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

::::::DRamon, you don't have a choice but to leave on his snide remarks. If a sysop wants to remove them they will. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 15:50, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

::::::DRamon, you don't have a choice but to leave on his snide remarks. If a sysop wants to remove them they will. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 15:50, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

:I stand by my statement above.  One instance?  I am pleased that your area, whereever it may be, still allows prayer, but the very things that you mention, even the right of the football team to pray, are shut down in large parts of the country - and it is getting worse. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 15:54, 18 September 2008 (EDT)

:I stand by my statement above.  One instance?  I am pleased that your area, whereever it may be, still allows prayer, but the very things that you mention, even the right of the football team to pray, are shut down in large parts of the country - and it is getting worse. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 15:54, 18 September 2008 (EDT)