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::::::Politicians fight over those things that they feel give them an advantage.  Approval ratings do show how a candidate's performance was viewed by his constituents, and it is very rare to get one under 20%. Minnesota has a great deal of political correctness even if they aren't a liberal haven (although they are more liberal than the country as a whole).  Ventura was known for being a WWF commentator who was good with one-liners (wrestling is huge in Minnesota) and wasn't necessarily the candidate with the best credentials.  Indeed, there was a brisk business of selling T-shirts with the line 'My governor can beat up your governor' shortly after his election. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 15:25, 17 September 2008 (EDT)
 
::::::Politicians fight over those things that they feel give them an advantage.  Approval ratings do show how a candidate's performance was viewed by his constituents, and it is very rare to get one under 20%. Minnesota has a great deal of political correctness even if they aren't a liberal haven (although they are more liberal than the country as a whole).  Ventura was known for being a WWF commentator who was good with one-liners (wrestling is huge in Minnesota) and wasn't necessarily the candidate with the best credentials.  Indeed, there was a brisk business of selling T-shirts with the line 'My governor can beat up your governor' shortly after his election. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 15:25, 17 September 2008 (EDT)
 
::::::::I'll be answering these in the order that flows the easiest so they may not be the order they were raised.  First the T-shirts, you've brought this up before, but I fail to see how this is in any related to anything.  After Arnold was elected, there were several shirts marketed that read "California's governor saved the world, what has your governor done?"  They were not a reflection on the performance or popularity of Arnold, they were simply a humorous T-shirt that referenced modern political events.  I don't know your residency, but may I ask if you live in Minnesota?  If so, then I will accept your view that he was not the best candidate, but obviously the general electorate didn't agree.  If not, then I don't know how you can say that he was not the best candidate, as it was not your state and you can't really understand the differences in mentality, just as I can't understand voting mentality in New York or Alaska.  Ventura was indeed a wrester known for witty one liners, but in modern politics, that's what sells voters.  No longer do we want long campaign speeches, the candidates are reduced to one or two second sound bites, taken with no context and played over and over by a media with too much air time to fill.  As for the approval ratings, you keep changing the point.  you brought up approval ratings as an indicator of his poor performance as governor, I replied that they simply measure his popularity, not an objective view of his performance and you replied by saying that they measure what his constituents think of his performance (which is his popularity) I apologise if I didn't make that clear enough to begin with.  As a final note, I don't agree that a state where the "liberal" candidate for president wins by 3% is more liberal than the rest of the country. [[User:NateE|NateE]]<sup>[[User talk:NateE| Let Us Communicate]]</sup> 16:48, 17 September 2008 (EDT)
 
::::::::I'll be answering these in the order that flows the easiest so they may not be the order they were raised.  First the T-shirts, you've brought this up before, but I fail to see how this is in any related to anything.  After Arnold was elected, there were several shirts marketed that read "California's governor saved the world, what has your governor done?"  They were not a reflection on the performance or popularity of Arnold, they were simply a humorous T-shirt that referenced modern political events.  I don't know your residency, but may I ask if you live in Minnesota?  If so, then I will accept your view that he was not the best candidate, but obviously the general electorate didn't agree.  If not, then I don't know how you can say that he was not the best candidate, as it was not your state and you can't really understand the differences in mentality, just as I can't understand voting mentality in New York or Alaska.  Ventura was indeed a wrester known for witty one liners, but in modern politics, that's what sells voters.  No longer do we want long campaign speeches, the candidates are reduced to one or two second sound bites, taken with no context and played over and over by a media with too much air time to fill.  As for the approval ratings, you keep changing the point.  you brought up approval ratings as an indicator of his poor performance as governor, I replied that they simply measure his popularity, not an objective view of his performance and you replied by saying that they measure what his constituents think of his performance (which is his popularity) I apologise if I didn't make that clear enough to begin with.  As a final note, I don't agree that a state where the "liberal" candidate for president wins by 3% is more liberal than the rest of the country. [[User:NateE|NateE]]<sup>[[User talk:NateE| Let Us Communicate]]</sup> 16:48, 17 September 2008 (EDT)
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:"''MN is not exactly known as a liberal haven''"--What planet are you from?  Minnesota was the only state in the nation not to vote for Ronald Reagan in 1984.  Most Minnesota Republicans would be socialists in other states.  "''I remember Wellstone and Boschwitz fighting over whether the other one was Jewish enough''"  I don't remember this.  I don't remember Coleman even acknowledge that he was Jewish for a long time.  (I don't really think he's a religious Jewish person, and his wife is Christian).  Norm Coleman's dad is pretty cool, though; he got caught with a street hooker in a pizza joint parking lot in St. Paul, causing Norm to release the following statement:
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{{cquote|“I love my father dearly. I do not condone his actions or behavior, and I am deeply disturbed by what I have learned. He clearly has some issues that need to be dealt with, and I will encourage him to seek the necessary help.”--Norm Coleman Jr. on his father}}
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