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What documents are being referred to in the statement "and all the Founding Fathers embraced reference [sic] to God in the documents that established the United States."?  God is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence, but that great document didn't establish this nation or its government - it was the colonies' statement of secession from British rule.  The only document that actually established the United States of America as an entity and defined the operating framework for its government is the Constitution, and God is not mentioned once in it.  --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 21:38, 4 September 2008 (EDT)

What documents are being referred to in the statement "and all the Founding Fathers embraced reference [sic] to God in the documents that established the United States."?  God is mentioned in the Declaration of Independence, but that great document didn't establish this nation or its government - it was the colonies' statement of secession from British rule.  The only document that actually established the United States of America as an entity and defined the operating framework for its government is the Constitution, and God is not mentioned once in it.  --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 21:38, 4 September 2008 (EDT)

::the Declaration established a new nation in 1776, and called it the "United States of America," so July 4 is indeed the right birthday. The new nation had been in operation --with a national congress, diplomats, army, and national debt--for years before the current Constitution was adopted in 1788. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 11:26, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

::the Declaration established a new nation in 1776, and called it the "United States of America," so July 4 is indeed the right birthday. The new nation had been in operation --with a national congress, diplomats, army, and national debt--for years before the current Constitution was adopted in 1788. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 11:26, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

:::You're right to identify 7/4/1776 as the point at which the colonies began to stand apart from England as an independent entity.  However, the government in operation at that time was a temporary one, and there was some doubt as to whether a permanent union could be forged given the diverse nature of the former colonies.  At Ed Poor's suggestion I started a debate page, [Debate: Did the Founding Fathers intend to apply their personal faith to the nation "As an institution"?] to discuss whether the Founders incorporated the concept of "a nation under God" in the actual formation of the United States from its nascent beginnings.  I'd look forward to your contributions there.  --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 21:26, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

:::You're right to identify 7/4/1776 as the point at which the colonies began to stand apart from England as an independent entity.  However, the government in operation at that time was a temporary one, and there was some doubt as to whether a permanent union could be forged given the diverse nature of the former colonies.  At Ed Poor's suggestion I started a debate page, [[Debate: Did the Founding Fathers intend to apply their personal faith to the nation "As an institution"?]] to discuss whether the Founders incorporated the concept of "a nation under God" in the actual formation of the United States from its nascent beginnings.  I'd look forward to your contributions there.  --[[User:DinsdaleP|DinsdaleP]] 21:26, 24 September 2008 (EDT)

==Wasilla Bible Church==

==Wasilla Bible Church==