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| | Ok, well i was arguing under the assumption that you are a theist, when you are in fact a deist. I do not believe in either type of god, or any kind of god whatsoever, the magical bogeyman, the sentient universe or whatever others someone comes up with. When you say 'we' though i am a little confused, as the majority of religious people seem to be theists. Please correct me if this is a wrong impression however. [[User:Bolly Ottihw|Bolly Ottihw]] 20:54, 28 April 2007 | | Ok, well i was arguing under the assumption that you are a theist, when you are in fact a deist. I do not believe in either type of god, or any kind of god whatsoever, the magical bogeyman, the sentient universe or whatever others someone comes up with. When you say 'we' though i am a little confused, as the majority of religious people seem to be theists. Please correct me if this is a wrong impression however. [[User:Bolly Ottihw|Bolly Ottihw]] 20:54, 28 April 2007 |
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| | Stick with me, this can get confusing for those who aren't highly verbal and good with spatial concepts. "God" is another word for "everything." God equals everything. Everthing is God. To deny that "God" exists is silly because the universe and everything in it exists. Thus, atheism is prepostorous if God is everything. | | Stick with me, this can get confusing for those who aren't highly verbal and good with spatial concepts. "God" is another word for "everything." God equals everything. Everthing is God. To deny that "God" exists is silly because the universe and everything in it exists. Thus, atheism is prepostorous if God is everything. |
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| | The simple solution is the right solution in the majority of cases, however the simple solution in this case is not one of design. Darwin has already shown that while animals and plants may look designed they are in fact the end result of a massive series of gene mutations and adaptations. In this case, there is no designer and thus your point that organization implies design implies designer is proved wrong in the case of natural life. Simply because there is no such explanation for how the universe has come to be in such a way does not mean that there is no explanation that does not need to attribute it to a designer. Just think that 300 years ago, noone thought that something complex could come from something less complex as it balked common sense. However our common sense only applies to simple, mundane everyday things, not the huge distances and complexities of space or an atom. | | The simple solution is the right solution in the majority of cases, however the simple solution in this case is not one of design. Darwin has already shown that while animals and plants may look designed they are in fact the end result of a massive series of gene mutations and adaptations. In this case, there is no designer and thus your point that organization implies design implies designer is proved wrong in the case of natural life. Simply because there is no such explanation for how the universe has come to be in such a way does not mean that there is no explanation that does not need to attribute it to a designer. Just think that 300 years ago, noone thought that something complex could come from something less complex as it balked common sense. However our common sense only applies to simple, mundane everyday things, not the huge distances and complexities of space or an atom. |
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| | Being an atheist who wasn't raised religiously, I have a counter point to any religious posters. And this has nothing to do with the existence of God or if the universe has purpose; this is simply my outlook as a 22 year old man who has little to no experience religiously and no....I am not college educated...yet. Imagine you are me. You were raised with no religion in your life, without any major religious influences from friends to bring you to their church, no real reason to pray your entire life. Now, you join the service and meet a VARIED amount of people (I can't stretch that enough), many of which are very religious. Suddenly, you are having conversations about an invisible, omnipotent being that knows and sees all and you stare at them like they are totally insane. Since to you, it is like they are talking about werewolves or manticores, but they believe in it so much that they base their entire life on it. Now, I'm sure that I must seem insane to them. I mean, they're shocked that I do not believe in God! It must blow their mind that I live my life without faith in a higher power and most likely think that I have no moral compass whatsoever. As insane as atheism seems to a religious individual, religion seems equally insane to those who are atheist. This makes this argument very difficult to have. But I have to say, I've enjoyed this article thoroughly. And being a WoW player, I simply have to say that I am posting in an epic thread. | | Being an atheist who wasn't raised religiously, I have a counter point to any religious posters. And this has nothing to do with the existence of God or if the universe has purpose; this is simply my outlook as a 22 year old man who has little to no experience religiously and no....I am not college educated...yet. Imagine you are me. You were raised with no religion in your life, without any major religious influences from friends to bring you to their church, no real reason to pray your entire life. Now, you join the service and meet a VARIED amount of people (I can't stretch that enough), many of which are very religious. Suddenly, you are having conversations about an invisible, omnipotent being that knows and sees all and you stare at them like they are totally insane. Since to you, it is like they are talking about werewolves or manticores, but they believe in it so much that they base their entire life on it. Now, I'm sure that I must seem insane to them. I mean, they're shocked that I do not believe in God! It must blow their mind that I live my life without faith in a higher power and most likely think that I have no moral compass whatsoever. As insane as atheism seems to a religious individual, religion seems equally insane to those who are atheist. This makes this argument very difficult to have. But I have to say, I've enjoyed this article thoroughly. And being a WoW player, I simply have to say that I am posting in an epic thread. |
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| − | which is just stupid. Until you religious people come up with a better argument for God existing perhaps you should stop trying to shove Bibles down our throats. [[User:Platoroots|Platoroots]] 30 September 2008
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