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plagiarism must involve fraud
:Plagiarism means a fradulent claim of authorship in order to get academic credit. It's all about papers written for school. The standard encyclopedias (like Britannica, World Book, Encarta) do NOT cite their sources. It is not plagiarism because there is no academic claim being made, and no deception is practiced. We should follow the usual practices of encyclopedias, not the rules colleges lay down for freshman papers. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 12:58, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
:Plagiarism means a fradulent claim of authorship in order to get academic credit. It's all about papers written for school. The standard encyclopedias (like Britannica, World Book, Encarta) do NOT cite their sources. It is not plagiarism because there is no academic claim being made, and no deception is practiced. We should follow the usual practices of encyclopedias, not the rules colleges lay down for freshman papers. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 12:58, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
::That's not really true. Plagiarism is using someone else's ideas and passing them off as your own. EB doesn't plagiarize, because they describe subjects, not ideas. They have an editorial board, so their description of a subject ''is'' an idea, and it's their own; not someone else's. However, if you use someone else's ''direct words'', with no quotation marks (or no other way to set it off as a direct quote), it is ''always'' plagiarism, whether it be found in a freshman paper, a senior thesis, a professional journal, or an encyclopedia. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 13:35, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
::That's not really true. Plagiarism is using someone else's ideas and passing them off as your own. EB doesn't plagiarize, because they describe subjects, not ideas. They have an editorial board, so their description of a subject ''is'' an idea, and it's their own; not someone else's. However, if you use someone else's ''direct words'', with no quotation marks (or no other way to set it off as a direct quote), it is ''always'' plagiarism, whether it be found in a freshman paper, a senior thesis, a professional journal, or an encyclopedia. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 13:35, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
::plagiarism requires fraud (ie the claim "I did this work myself") and with no fraud there is no plagiarism. Quotation marks are merely tracking devices that schools insist on so they can identify and prove plagiarism charges against students. [[User:RJJensen|RJJensen]] 15:49, 7 October 2008 (EDT)
== Plagiarism and the law ==
== Plagiarism and the law ==