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, 21:07, October 15, 2008deutschland deutschländer deutschländigst
:If you want to say, "I am a Berliner", but state that you are still not actually a Berliner, you would use a differnet form of the verb all together. "Ich wäre ein Berliner", or "Ich sei ein Berliner". Both of these are subjunctive phrases that express that you're saying you're a Berliner, but that you're ''not actually'' a Berliner. The rhetorical use of "ein" here is for strengthening the statement, not to alter the meaning of the phrase to indicate that he's not really from Berlin, but he's saying he's from Berlin. --[[User:Puellanivis|Puellanivis]] 20:41, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:If you want to say, "I am a Berliner", but state that you are still not actually a Berliner, you would use a differnet form of the verb all together. "Ich wäre ein Berliner", or "Ich sei ein Berliner". Both of these are subjunctive phrases that express that you're saying you're a Berliner, but that you're ''not actually'' a Berliner. The rhetorical use of "ein" here is for strengthening the statement, not to alter the meaning of the phrase to indicate that he's not really from Berlin, but he's saying he's from Berlin. --[[User:Puellanivis|Puellanivis]] 20:41, 12 December 2007 (EST)
:: Virtually every German phrase in the statement above is wrong one way or the other:<ul>
::<li>"a German" in ''German'' is "ein Deutscher", "the German" is "der Deutsche" (that's a finer point concerning the strong and the weak declination of adjectives)
::<li>"Deutschländer" is only a brand of sausages: while "Irländer" is an synonym for "Ire" (Irish) , and "Finnländer" ''may'' be used instead of "Finne" (Finn), "Deutschländer" isn't much of a German word....
::<li>"der Große", "der Jüngste", "der Amerikaner"
::<li>"Ich sei ein Berliner" is a clumsy phrase - and wishful thinking. It would be used in indirect speach...
::<li>"Ich wäre ein Berliner": ditto.
::<li>whether you say - or omit - the article "ein" is irrelevant for the meaning of the statement. Inserting it seems to make sense for an American, I suppose, as it parallels the English phrase. </ul>
::--[[User:BRichtigen|BRichtigen]] 17:07, 15 October 2008 (EDT)
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