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| | The Manual of Style itself is only altered by sysops. HelpJazz's suggestion to contact Philip would be your best bet as he seems to have the most active interest. As a general rule, if something isn't confusing or contradictory, then we usually aren't as concerned to see a procedure put in place as part of Andy's original idea was for people not to worry about a lot of formatting rules such as existed on WP. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 20:27, 15 October 2008 (EDT) | | The Manual of Style itself is only altered by sysops. HelpJazz's suggestion to contact Philip would be your best bet as he seems to have the most active interest. As a general rule, if something isn't confusing or contradictory, then we usually aren't as concerned to see a procedure put in place as part of Andy's original idea was for people not to worry about a lot of formatting rules such as existed on WP. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 20:27, 15 October 2008 (EDT) |
| | :I did ask Philip, and he told me to come here. I'm sorry if I suggested something wrong. I didn't want to complicate things or anything; I just thought it'd be more encyclopedic to have a set structure, rather than have the similar articles look disparate. I'm sorry. I'll just let them as it is. Hope I didn't cause any trouble. [[User:LiamG|LiamG]] 21:11, 15 October 2008 (EDT) | | :I did ask Philip, and he told me to come here. I'm sorry if I suggested something wrong. I didn't want to complicate things or anything; I just thought it'd be more encyclopedic to have a set structure, rather than have the similar articles look disparate. I'm sorry. I'll just let them as it is. Hope I didn't cause any trouble. [[User:LiamG|LiamG]] 21:11, 15 October 2008 (EDT) |
| | + | ::You didn't suggest anything wrong. If Philip told you to come hear and talk then you did what you should have. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 22:52, 15 October 2008 (EDT) |
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| | Gentlemen... As LiamG points out, I advised him to come here to put forward a suggestion. True, only sysops can change the Manual of Style, but I'd like to see MoS changes decided by consensus, and this page, not my talk page, is the place to discuss such things. | | Gentlemen... As LiamG points out, I advised him to come here to put forward a suggestion. True, only sysops can change the Manual of Style, but I'd like to see MoS changes decided by consensus, and this page, not my talk page, is the place to discuss such things. |
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| | :Heh, sorry, I didn't realize he had already asked you. I didn't offer any comment, because I don't really care how we format (especially if a change in formatting means another little project for me ;-) ) but I do agree that we need a rule, whatever it may be. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 21:57, 15 October 2008 (EDT) | | :Heh, sorry, I didn't realize he had already asked you. I didn't offer any comment, because I don't really care how we format (especially if a change in formatting means another little project for me ;-) ) but I do agree that we need a rule, whatever it may be. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 21:57, 15 October 2008 (EDT) |
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| | + | :No one, to my knowledge, is complaining about Liam writing here or the decision to have him write here. I don't view the date format question as being a big issue, but I'm rather ambivalent. I don't see it as being meaningful right now in that there are many, many more articles with birth and death dates than the number of people who will currently go around seeing that they adhere to an adopted standard. Generally speaking, I've found articles have a tendency to include full birth and death dates when they are larger and just the year when they are smaller. Mostly I see something like this after the person's name (1896 - 1964) which I think is acceptable. Likewise if an editor wanted to update it to (Jan 23, 1896 - Jul 21, 1964) that would be fine too. The fact is most of our editors who create articles and put in dates aren't going to be coming to this page for guidelines and I haven't seen any arguments or complaints about it so I think I am justified in not necessarily taking a strong position. I don't think it's necessary as our editors don't see to be having any difficulty with it as is, but I'm certainly not going to fight it. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 22:52, 15 October 2008 (EDT) |