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::::Using just years rather than full dates is neater, more concise, and helps smooth over problems of uncertain dates. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 17:13, 16 October 2008 (EDT) (1961-)
 
::::Using just years rather than full dates is neater, more concise, and helps smooth over problems of uncertain dates. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 17:13, 16 October 2008 (EDT) (1961-)
 
Ok, so far we've got my proposal (which I honestly just made so people would start talking, and Bugler's proposal.  Anyone else?  [[User:LiamG|LiamG]] 08:36, 17 October 2008 (EDT)
 
Ok, so far we've got my proposal (which I honestly just made so people would start talking, and Bugler's proposal.  Anyone else?  [[User:LiamG|LiamG]] 08:36, 17 October 2008 (EDT)
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: Sorry, but this is going to get a ''little'' off the track.  I mentioned above and on my talk page that I don't like clutter in the opening sentences, and on my talk page I linked to [[Conservapedia talk:Manual of Style#Etymologies and the like|this previous discussion]].  I've just found another example on Wikipedia:
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{{QuoteBox|Alexander the Great (Greek: Ἀλέξανδρος ὁ Μέγας or Μέγας Ἀλέξανδρος,<sup>[1]</sup> Mégas Aléxandros; July 20, 356 BC<sup>[2]</sup>  – June 10 or June 11, 323 BC),<sup>[3]</sup> also known as Alexander III of Macedon (Ἀλέξανδρος Γ' ὁ Μακεδών) was an ancient Greek<sup>[4][5]</sup> king (basileus) of Macedon (336–323 BC).}}
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:That's an awful lot of parenthetical information in an opening sentence that otherwise just says "Alexander the Great was an ancient Greek king of Macedon".  Not that the information is unnecessary, but it doesn't need to clutter up the opening sentence.  Bugler's suggestion helps reduce that clutter, but I don't really agree with deliberately leaving out more precise information if it is available.  We could have a template (i.e. a box to the side) with detailed information about the person (birth date/month/year and death date/month/year, plus other information) ''and'' have just the birth and death years (or even just the birth year) in the opening sentence, if we thought that wasn't unnecessary duplication.
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: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 11:05, 17 October 2008 (EDT)
    
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