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::: Perhaps you think Nation of Islam is a denomination of Islam that has slightly different motivations from other denominations, but it's still Islam.  Are you saying that NOI adherents do not pray and submit to Allah?  I'm sure they do.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 09:52, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

::: Perhaps you think Nation of Islam is a denomination of Islam that has slightly different motivations from other denominations, but it's still Islam.  Are you saying that NOI adherents do not pray and submit to Allah?  I'm sure they do.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 09:52, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

::::''Perhaps you think Nation of Islam is a denomination of Islam that has slightly different motivations from other denominations, but it's still Islam.''  No, I wouldn't put it that way.  I wouldn't consider NOI to be Islam.  As I understand it, I think they are two fundamentally different faiths, though NOI has some trappings borrowed from traditional Islam, as well as some borrowed from Christianity.  NOI believes, among other things, "that Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July, 1930; the long-awaited "Messiah" of the Christians and the "Mahdi" of the Muslims."[http://www.noi.org/muslim_program.htm]  As I understand it, when NOI members pray to Allah, they mean (at least in part) W. Fard Muhammad (the founder of NOI).  Wheras of course traditional Muslims don't include anything about W. Fard Muhammad in their beliefs, nor do they recognize NOI as a Muslim denomination.  (Christians don't believe W. Fard Muhammad is the Messiah either, obviously.)  NOI is a uniquely American black separatist movement.  I believe it's quite a different faith from traditional Islam.  Maybe I was wrong about assuming you think Barak Obama is a traditional Muslim?  Do you think Barak Obama is a member of the NOI?  That would have lead to quite different concerns; as I understand it, the NOI wants, among other things, quite substantial reparations for slavery. --[[User:Hsmom|Hsmom]] 10:40, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

::::''Perhaps you think Nation of Islam is a denomination of Islam that has slightly different motivations from other denominations, but it's still Islam.''  No, I wouldn't put it that way.  I wouldn't consider NOI to be Islam.  As I understand it, I think they are two fundamentally different faiths, though NOI has some trappings borrowed from traditional Islam, as well as some borrowed from Christianity.  NOI believes, among other things, "that Allah (God) appeared in the Person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July, 1930; the long-awaited "Messiah" of the Christians and the "Mahdi" of the Muslims."[http://www.noi.org/muslim_program.htm]  As I understand it, when NOI members pray to Allah, they mean (at least in part) W. Fard Muhammad (the founder of NOI).  Wheras of course traditional Muslims don't include anything about W. Fard Muhammad in their beliefs, nor do they recognize NOI as a Muslim denomination.  (Christians don't believe W. Fard Muhammad is the Messiah either, obviously.)  NOI is a uniquely American black separatist movement.  I believe it's quite a different faith from traditional Islam.  Maybe I was wrong about assuming you think Barak Obama is a traditional Muslim?  Do you think Barak Obama is a member of the NOI?  That would lead to quite different concerns; as I understand it, the NOI wants, among other things, quite substantial reparations for slavery. --[[User:Hsmom|Hsmom]] 10:40, 20 October 2008 (EDT)

==57 Islamic states==

==57 Islamic states==