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Just a brief comment - Aschlafly, you seem to suggest that autumn foliage is designed to be beautiful. That is totally subjective and personally I dont find autumn foliage particularly striking. One mans beauty is another's ugly. Secondly, in regards to consciousness, many species of chimps use tools and show morality also parrots have self awareness also and can recognise themselves in mirrors. I dont think wearing clothes has anything to do with self awareness either [[User:PatWills|PatWills]] 15:12, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
 
Just a brief comment - Aschlafly, you seem to suggest that autumn foliage is designed to be beautiful. That is totally subjective and personally I dont find autumn foliage particularly striking. One mans beauty is another's ugly. Secondly, in regards to consciousness, many species of chimps use tools and show morality also parrots have self awareness also and can recognise themselves in mirrors. I dont think wearing clothes has anything to do with self awareness either [[User:PatWills|PatWills]] 15:12, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
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: No, PatWills, autumn foliage ''is'' beautiful.  Maybe you deny that 2+2=4 too.  You do have free will.  But you're not going to persuade anyone here by insisting that autumn foliage is not beautiful.  It is, and it disproves evolution.
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: As to animals, they don't dress themselves.  They really don't.--[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 15:18, 26 October 2008 (EDT)
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