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Line 80: − − :::Who called this a 'legitimate' question? It's like you are saying: There is free will and because of that god has no way to act? The opposite is true: Because humans have a free will they tend to sin and because of that god needs to act like he did with the flood.--[[User:Sherman|Sherman]] 12:28, 21 March 2007 (EDT) − − Line 91:
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::If there's a legitimate question on that point, then it's hardly an atheist term, is it? [[User:Tsumetai|Tsumetai]] 12:13, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
::If there's a legitimate question on that point, then it's hardly an atheist term, is it? [[User:Tsumetai|Tsumetai]] 12:13, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
:::I can understand God interfering to guide the course of humanity. I can also see him interfering to correct grave injustices. But I can't seem him interfering in the everyday lives of humanity. Also, if you subscribe to Judaism, they believe that after the second destruction of the Temple, God left the earth and became a transcendent being, rather than an immanent one.--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 12:14, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
:::I can understand God interfering to guide the course of humanity. I can also see him interfering to correct grave injustices. But I can't seem him interfering in the everyday lives of humanity. Also, if you subscribe to Judaism, they believe that after the second destruction of the Temple, God left the earth and became a transcendent being, rather than an immanent one.--[[User:Elamdri|Elamdri]] 12:14, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
:::::Exactly. By assigning everything to the Will of God, personal responsibility is removed. Consequences are removed. All choices, no matter how wrong or how damaging to others, are acceptable since they are the Will of God. Thanks, but no thanks. I like my world to be able to look at a guy like Ted Bundy or the 9/11 bombers and know that they are NOT part of what God wants from us.--[[User:Dave3172|Dave3172]] 12:21, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
:::::Exactly. By assigning everything to the Will of God, personal responsibility is removed. Consequences are removed. All choices, no matter how wrong or how damaging to others, are acceptable since they are the Will of God. Thanks, but no thanks. I like my world to be able to look at a guy like Ted Bundy or the 9/11 bombers and know that they are NOT part of what God wants from us.--[[User:Dave3172|Dave3172]] 12:21, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
:::Who called this a 'legitimate' question? It's like you are saying: There is free will and because of that god has no way to act? The opposite is true: Because humans have a free will they tend to sin and because of that god needs to act like he did with the flood.--[[User:Sherman|Sherman]] 12:28, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
::::So you acknowledge limits to Gods' control and we just differ on where to draw the line.--[[User:AmesG|AmesG]] 12:29, 21 March 2007 (EDT)
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