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Talk:Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (view source)
Revision as of 17:04, November 6, 2008
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Secondly, you are claiming that you don't need a citation because the evidence is given in the rest of the article, but it's not. You are claiming that there were fradulant ''votes'' for Obama, and the article supplies evidence that there were fraudulant ''registrations''. You claim that if there were fake registrations there ''must'' have been fake votes, but that's not necessarily true. There is a huge jump between people putting down "Mickey Mouse" on a form so that their boss pays them 50 cents extra, and actually faking a "Mickey Mouse" ID and having someone vote. I don't know how it is where you live, but in Ohio, it's pretty hard to fake a vote without a much larger conspiracy. If there is a conspiracy, there should be some evidence of it. This evidence goes into the fact tag which I am about to put back in. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 11:52, 6 November 2008 (EST)
Secondly, you are claiming that you don't need a citation because the evidence is given in the rest of the article, but it's not. You are claiming that there were fradulant ''votes'' for Obama, and the article supplies evidence that there were fraudulant ''registrations''. You claim that if there were fake registrations there ''must'' have been fake votes, but that's not necessarily true. There is a huge jump between people putting down "Mickey Mouse" on a form so that their boss pays them 50 cents extra, and actually faking a "Mickey Mouse" ID and having someone vote. I don't know how it is where you live, but in Ohio, it's pretty hard to fake a vote without a much larger conspiracy. If there is a conspiracy, there should be some evidence of it. This evidence goes into the fact tag which I am about to put back in. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 11:52, 6 November 2008 (EST)
:the thing is, nobody would know if a fraudulent vote was made, since it would be counted. Any time there's news about fraudulent '''registration''' (not voter fraud), the report originally came from ACORN itself... otherwise nobody, not even the GOP, would know and complain about it. See [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdNgMKPV9xQ this]. Everything you heard about registration fraud has been reported, caught, and dealt with by ACORN already. These things are caught by voter registration elections offices and tossed out. Even then, these fake registered voters have to actually show up at a poll and present an ID and vote to actually pull off fraud. Then, if caught, its a felony with some huge consequence that nobody is willing to risk voting twice for...
:Also, by the same logic, we can say that the GOP folks who were arrested for fraudulent registration contributed to McCain's campaign, so you should add that to the statement too. xP [[User:Ema|Ema]] 12:04, 6 November 2008 (EST)