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Talk:Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (view source)
Revision as of 17:41, November 6, 2008
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My comments are not 'simply assertions' as HelpJazz inaccurately says; they are statements based on the simple truth of the matter. HelpJazz says that DRamon's sentence ''certainly implies that Obama won the election because of ACORN''. What DRamon actually says is this: ''Electoral fraud perpetrated by ACORN contributed to Barack Obama's victory in the 2008 presidential elections.'' If HelpJazz cannot see the difference between the two statements, he needs to go and take a course in elementary logic. I have already made these points, which makes helpJazz's imprecations all the more mustifying. I can only assume that, as a fully-paid up member of the Bugler Bashing Club, the old red mist descends whenever he sees my name. He really ought to desist, for the sake of his blood pressure if nothing else. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 12:28, 6 November 2008 (EST)
My comments are not 'simply assertions' as HelpJazz inaccurately says; they are statements based on the simple truth of the matter. HelpJazz says that DRamon's sentence ''certainly implies that Obama won the election because of ACORN''. What DRamon actually says is this: ''Electoral fraud perpetrated by ACORN contributed to Barack Obama's victory in the 2008 presidential elections.'' If HelpJazz cannot see the difference between the two statements, he needs to go and take a course in elementary logic. I have already made these points, which makes helpJazz's imprecations all the more mustifying. I can only assume that, as a fully-paid up member of the Bugler Bashing Club, the old red mist descends whenever he sees my name. He really ought to desist, for the sake of his blood pressure if nothing else. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 12:28, 6 November 2008 (EST)
:''HelpJazz, your statement is plumb wrong.'' That's an assertion backed up by ''DRamon's sentence implies nothing of the sort'', another assertion. ''It's not what he's alleging''. Another assertion. ''He has no reason to change the sentence''. Assertion. ''why don't '''you''' learn to read properly?'' Pretty much an assertion, and an ad hom to boot.
:Next, I have already stated that whichever meaning DRamon meant, it needs a citation. If he meant that ACORN contributed 1 or more votes fraudlently, as you read the sentence, then he needs a citation. If he meant that ACORN won the election for him, as I read the sentence, then he needs a citation. Do you see? It doesn't matter if I can't read, because it needs a citation.
:Thirdly let's address your claims that I'm ony doing this because you are invovled: clearly, you have a bit of a persecution complex. This started before you were involved, and I made my initial comments before you were involved, so clearly this isn't about you. Get over yourself. Stick to the relevant argument at hand. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 12:41, 6 November 2008 (EST)