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== OK People ==

== OK People ==

Here's the thing, DRamon. First of all, the way the sentence reads, it certainly implies that Obama won the election because of ACORN{{fact}}. If that's not what you are alleging, then change the sentence. If that is what you wanted to imply, then find a reference that claims 7.8 million votes were fake.

Here's the thing, DRamon. First of all, the way the sentence reads, it certainly implies that Obama won the election because of ACORN. If that's not what you are alleging, then change the sentence. If that is what you wanted to imply, then find a reference that claims 7.8 million votes were fake.

Secondly, you are claiming that you don't need a citation because the evidence is given in the rest of the article, but it's not. You are claiming that there were fradulant ''votes'' for Obama, and the article supplies evidence that there were fraudulant ''registrations''. You claim that if there were fake registrations there ''must'' have been fake votes, but that's not necessarily true. There is a huge jump between people putting down "Mickey Mouse" on a form so that their boss pays them 50 cents extra, and actually faking a "Mickey Mouse" ID and having someone vote. I don't know how it is where you live, but in Ohio, it's pretty hard to fake a vote without a much larger conspiracy. If there is a conspiracy, there should be some evidence of it. This evidence goes into the fact tag which I am about to put back in. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 11:52, 6 November 2008 (EST)

Secondly, you are claiming that you don't need a citation because the evidence is given in the rest of the article, but it's not. You are claiming that there were fradulant ''votes'' for Obama, and the article supplies evidence that there were fraudulant ''registrations''. You claim that if there were fake registrations there ''must'' have been fake votes, but that's not necessarily true. There is a huge jump between people putting down "Mickey Mouse" on a form so that their boss pays them 50 cents extra, and actually faking a "Mickey Mouse" ID and having someone vote. I don't know how it is where you live, but in Ohio, it's pretty hard to fake a vote without a much larger conspiracy. If there is a conspiracy, there should be some evidence of it. This evidence goes into the fact tag which I am about to put back in. [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 11:52, 6 November 2008 (EST)

::::::Back on topic (finally!): your entire argument boils down to the assertion that my argument lacks "logical rigour". Do you care to explain this for my Liberal brain? I have already told you that it doesn't matter what my interpretation of the statement is, because either way a citation is needed. Where's the logical flaw in that? [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 16:41, 6 November 2008 (EST)

::::::Back on topic (finally!): your entire argument boils down to the assertion that my argument lacks "logical rigour". Do you care to explain this for my Liberal brain? I have already told you that it doesn't matter what my interpretation of the statement is, because either way a citation is needed. Where's the logical flaw in that? [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 16:41, 6 November 2008 (EST)

:::::::Because it isn't. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 16:45, 6 November 2008 (EST)

:::::::Because it isn't. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 16:45, 6 November 2008 (EST)