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::I cannot say with '''absolute''' certainty, but I can say with certainty '''beyond reasonable doubt''' that illegal voting would have taken place, and that the balance of votes, even if some had been for McCain, would have been in favour of Obama. Surely the concept of 'beyond reasonable doubt' has some resonance? [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 11:15, 7 November 2008 (EST)

::I cannot say with '''absolute''' certainty, but I can say with certainty '''beyond reasonable doubt''' that illegal voting would have taken place, and that the balance of votes, even if some had been for McCain, would have been in favour of Obama. Surely the concept of 'beyond reasonable doubt' has some resonance? [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 11:15, 7 November 2008 (EST)

:::But where is the evidence? You must have evidence that makes you ''believe'' that illegal voting happened. The only evidence we have is that agents of ACORN, in an effort to make more money, put down fake names on their registration forms. And they got caught. There is simply zero evidence that (a) any of these registrations were made with the intention to actually use the votes and (b) ACORN took any efforts to falisify government identification, a necessary requirement to cast a false ballot. You believe beyond a reasonable doubt, but where is the testimony and the evidence that led you to this verdict? I have yet to seen Exibit A, and your case is entirely circumstantial. Activist judges maybe? [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 12:22, 7 November 2008 (EST)

:::But where is the evidence? You must have evidence that makes you ''believe'' that illegal voting happened. The only evidence we have is that agents of ACORN, in an effort to make more money, put down fake names on their registration forms. And they got caught. There is simply zero evidence that (a) any of these registrations were made with the intention to actually use the votes and (b) ACORN took any efforts to falisify government identification, a necessary requirement to cast a false ballot. You believe beyond a reasonable doubt, but where is the testimony and the evidence that led you to this verdict? I have yet to seen Exibit A, and your case is entirely circumstantial. Activist judges maybe? [[User:HelpJazz|Help]][[User talk:HelpJazz|Jazz]] 12:22, 7 November 2008 (EST)