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→Economics isn't materialism?: unsigned, and point out that the quote is correct.
::::I mentioned that fundamental misunderstanding bit because the author of the article conveniently ignores the underlying principles of, say, hard drive-making. In his article he cites as a tenet of his hypothesis that a hard drive is no heavier when it is full than when it is empty, and therefore that it contains nothing in either state, and thus that information does not exist physically. In fact, hard drives are built on the principles of basic electronics, which incorporate the fundamental force called electromagnetic, in that electrons are moved through the hard drive and switching states of bistable multivibrators between 1 and 0. Electrons (actual particles with mass and energy), silicone and germanium and semiconductor junctions in general, governed by Boolean algebra is by no means outside of the physical world. The same goes for the great mini-supercomputer we call a brain. In light of this, his entire argument falls apart, because the presence of information is explained by processes well within the material realm, and the quote in the quotes section is obsolete and wrong.
::::I mentioned that fundamental misunderstanding bit because the author of the article conveniently ignores the underlying principles of, say, hard drive-making. In his article he cites as a tenet of his hypothesis that a hard drive is no heavier when it is full than when it is empty, and therefore that it contains nothing in either state, and thus that information does not exist physically. In fact, hard drives are built on the principles of basic electronics, which incorporate the fundamental force called electromagnetic, in that electrons are moved through the hard drive and switching states of bistable multivibrators between 1 and 0. Electrons (actual particles with mass and energy), silicone and germanium and semiconductor junctions in general, governed by Boolean algebra is by no means outside of the physical world. The same goes for the great mini-supercomputer we call a brain. In light of this, his entire argument falls apart, because the presence of information is explained by processes well within the material realm, and the quote in the quotes section is obsolete and wrong.
::::In addition, I read the Natural Science article, and it really confused me. I see no logic in it whatsoever.
::::In addition, I read the Natural Science article, and it really confused me. I see no logic in it whatsoever.
::::{{unsigned|JZim}}
::::: Well, I guess I can't do much about your inability to understand the Natural Science article, unless you can explain what is confusing you about it.
::::: As for the hard drive example, your response totally sidesteps the point. His comments about information not being physical are quite correct. See [[information]] for more. You are still not clear what you are referring to, in that the linked page of his doesn't mention hard disks (or drives), so I'm only going by what you say he says. Information is found in the ''arrangement'' of matter (including the state of electrons), not in their ''presence''. Processes in the material world do not explain the ''origin'' of information; they can only explain the medium on which it is stored and transmitted. His quote in this article page is quite correct.
::::: [[User:Philip J. Rayment|Philip J. Rayment]] 21:30, 7 November 2008 (EST)